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terrajiterraji Posts: 69
edited June 2007 in General
I am posting this from Safari in windows. I really like it. It has a nice apple look and feel. Fonts buttons and everything. Even though I use Firefox primarily on Mac, I don't really like Firefox on windows probably because of the very boring old windows XP look and feel. I really believe that Safari will really become a player in this space. The web just feels a lot fresher and I think that will go a long way for Apple with the windows crowd. Try it out now if you haven't already.

Leopard looks pretty flipping sweet. My week of mac tastiness started off pretty darn good with the WWDC. I just actually ordered a MacBook Pro last week along with a 80gb viPod and they should be here by the end of this week. :)

What are your guys' impressions? Mine are pretty darn positive.


  • SGSG Posts: 76
    I use Safari on my mac. Practically every extension I ever downloaded for FF has equivalent functionality built into Safari--most notably spell check and although something like adblock is missing, I want to at least pretend I support a website's bid to support itself so it's not a biggie. I'll have to try it on my windows desktop.

    I think the iphone is going to tank pretty hard. Honestly, who needs one that doesn't already own a crackberry? I doubt most people who already own either a blackbury or some other pda phone combo are going to switch. I don't really see where they expect to get customers for this thing. Are there really that many people that can't live without everything in their life being branded apple? $500 is a lot of money, considerably more than an ipod and that doesn't include the early termination fee you are likely to incur from your cell phone provider (assuming you're not already using cingular/att). Someone want to fill me in on why people are treating this as the second coming of the ipod, because I've already dumped most of my apple stock. It was a good ride while it lasted.

    Finally, I want my copy of Leopard. Now.
  • beporterbeporter Posts: 123
    I'm not gonna make predictions either way at this point. Personally, I can't want to try one out. I don't plan to get an iPhone right away, but probably by Christmas once they've ironed any of the first-gen bugs out I'll be looking to buy one. For me it's the confluence of 4 devices I'm forced to carry individually right now: my cell phone, my iPod, my Palm and my laptop. Now I don't expect the iPhone to be a replacement for a laptop, but the data connection and Safari make it close enough for the critical stuff like checking maps and directions.

    [p]The important thing to realize is that Apple's products have NEVER been targeted at "the masses" right out of the gate. Don't forget the original iPod only worked with Macs with Firewire! That's a pretty small group! What's more, even today iPods are the most expensive media players on the market. They are NOT cheap (either in price, or in quality), and this is Apple's target market. They take the people who want slick devices who are willing to pay a premium for them. That's why their profit margins are so darn high.

    [p]All that said, I don't expect the iPhone to suddenly be the only cell phone you ever see anybody carrying, but it's going to be plenty popular anyway.

    [p]As for Leopard, I haven't gotten to watch the Keynote yet, but I'm actually only mildly excited about it. Upgrades to OS X are usually evolutionary in nature with only a few "big steps" over previous versions. I have no doubt there are going to be plenty of reasons to upgrade, and I'll be one of the people waiting in line for it, but it's just the next iteration of an already great OS, not a radical new approach to computing.
  • beporterbeporter Posts: 123
    Safari on Windows:

    [p]I'm not sure I even understand the logic behind this choice right now, but there is one thing I know from following Apple; everything that they do that doesn't make sense "right now" is really them putting pieces of a puzzle into place before they need them. Apple releasing Safari on Windows is the forerunner to something new that nobody has even realized Apple might do yet.

    [p]Being a long time user of Macs and PCs, I'm really accustomed to the context switch between user interfaces. That means that when I'm working on a Windows box, I'm used to using things in a Windows way. The same holds true for a Mac. Both iTunes and Safari on Windows severely jar my expectations: especially with the Mac OS X UI elements in Safari-- that's just weird. Now admittedly, the program is still beta, and I've already identified a number of issues with it myself, so the final version may still win my favor, but right now I think I'll stick with Firefox for my Windows box. I do like having the option though.
  • beporterbeporter Posts: 123
    SG, I hope you were kidding about your Apple stock. The price has gone consistently up since 1999, and even in the past 90 days it's gone from $90 to over $120.

    [p]As I said in my post above, if there's one thing to learn about Apple, it's that everything single thing they do is preparation for something big[ger]. You can bet the iPhone and Safari on Windows are just the latest stepping stones.
  • beporterbeporter Posts: 123
    There's been a TON of debate about the font-smoothing Win-Safari uses as compared to the standard Windows way of doing it. Specifically:

    [p]The Bad

    [p]The Good
  • terrajiterraji Posts: 69
    edited June 2007
    AAAAAAAH!!!! My MBP is at my parent's house, but I won't get to pick it up until Saturday! I am dying here!

    I think apple's motivations for Safari on Windows are simple. The are pushing for web-apps for the iPhone that leverage the Safari engine. The developers would definitely want to make their apps available to desktop users, and this give them greater options in this space. Right now, the entire market for smartphones is for business users, and if the iPhone apps were tied 100% to the Mac platform, they would tank quickly.

    The jury is definitely out on the iPhone. I am not putting down $500 at this point, but I am definitely rooting for it. I still have about 18 months on my current cell contract, so when that runs out, hopefully the iPhone will be in rev 2 or 3 and it will be an attractive option.

    There are three things keeping me from using Safari over Firefox for Mac.

    1) No Googlepedia plugin. I have searched and searched for an equivalent. This is a deal-stopper.
    2) Command-l and Command-k do not work the way I want them to (the exact way that they work in all versions of Firefox). In Windows Safari they actually do work, but the beta on Mac doesn't yet.
    3) It is not free (as in speech) software. I know the rendering engine is based off of Konqueror, but every update is still dependant on Apple. I prefer the peace of mind of Firefox where I know they aren't going to try and screw me over without me knowing and critical bugfixes will come right away.

    My take on the font smoothing thing is that it pretty much up to individual preferences. I personally h ave no issue with the OS X way and actually prefer it, but I can understand why others think differently. I have been a fan of joelonsoftware for a long time. I own and love his books, but the last little while, he has turned into a troll, kicking off flame wars such as this. It is really quite sad, using anti-Apple bigotry to drive traffic.

    Leopard will be a must-have for me, but I have a sneaking feeling that 2gb of ram will be just barely enough to cope with all that bling and widgetry.
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  • SGSG Posts: 76
    edited June 2007
    edit: stupid quote feature...doesn't actually quote.

    I kid you not about my apple stock. I bought a bunch at 60 and some more again at 90. Sold half of what I had a week or two ago around 120 and bought something else (escapes me at the moment), I guess I made it sound like I dumped it all like a cheating whore. I'm going to hold on to half of it and see where it goes, but I don't expect it to keep growing at its current pace. Looking at their recent and future plans, I don't really like what I see. Apple TV? A bust, especially after the news that movie executives weren't own board for their netflix-esque idea. iPhone? We'll wait and see whether the phone buying public is going to make a mockery out of me. I expect Mac computers to continue to sell well (if only because more people are realizing that it's capable of handling their work related needs by running windows and also providing a much nicer and more intuitive approach to everything else) and ipods are a no brainer. I don't see where the growth is going to come from in the near future and that's what's going to drive a stock's price.
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  • terrajiterraji Posts: 69
    I have my Macbook Pro now and have spent about six hours using it. The display is incredible. Sitting next to my 20" Dells, it makes me realize just how lacking they are in some areas. The contrast is great, and it is waaaay bright. I have it turned down three notches just so it doesn't look unnatural next to the CRT's on my desk at school.

    Everything is fast and snappy. Nothing but pure bliss of having a new machine.
  • SGSG Posts: 76
    Is that one with the new LED display?
  • terrajiterraji Posts: 69
    Indeed it is. I went with the matte because I am a purist. It is some seriously good stuff, 1080p trailers look sick.
  • beporterbeporter Posts: 123
    I'm so darned jealous. My Macs are all still fulfilling my needs more than adequately, and although I definitely feel the Upgrade Itch, I can't justify needing it.
  • terrajiterraji Posts: 69
    At this point, it is probably worth it to at least wait until Leopard drops. I needed mine now to assist with my thesis writing, and in October I will be pretty much done school anyhow so it wouldn't be as much fun :)

    The rumors around new iMacs sound promising.
  • YureiYurei Posts: 14
    Its been a while since they updated any machines hasnt it? I dont remember the last iMac update, apart from speed bumps.
  • terrajiterraji Posts: 69
    Yeah, we were skunked at MacWorld and I believe the only thing they have done since is the 8 core mac pro and speed bumps to the macbook and macbook pro.

    The last significant thing they did to the iMac was put an intel chip in it, and even that was the exact same form factor as the G5. I am hoping they do something significantly different this time. My parents are currently in the game for a new computer and I am pretty sure an iMac is the one for them.
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