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Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« on: May 10, 2004, 03:22:31 PM »
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Hey could somebody explain the differences between these three, Software, GL and 3D3? I notice resolution differences but what else, Thanks. 
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2004, 03:40:35 PM »
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OpenGL is a graphics library. Graphics librarys are the set of commands that games and other programs use to draw graphics on your screen. The code inside those librarys are optimized to utilize and run fast on your video card, and likewise, your video card is optimized to run the library fast.
I think by 3D3 you mean D3D. Direct3d is a Microsoft graphics library tied into their DirectX. (remember how much fun that was with Windows 98?). The general industry preference is for OpenGL since it is apparently easier to program in and isn't tied to Windows machines. (I am taking a course on graphics programming in OpenGL next year, so possibly I would know a little more about it then)
There used to be another called 3dFX Glide from a few years back which has pretty much gone extinct since it was difficult to use and was exclusive to 3dfx video cards.
Software mode is when you don't use a video card and just do all the graphics drawing manually with the CPU. Not reccomended unless you dont have a graphics card.
Most games are designed to run best on either OpenGL or D3D and include the other one as an alternative for people who want it. Almost all video cards nowadays support both quite well, so it comes down to which runs the game the fastest without screwing up.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2004, 05:07:41 PM »
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o i see
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2004, 05:37:46 PM »
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Most games are designed to run best on either OpenGL or D3D and include the other one as an alternative for people who want it. Almost all video cards nowadays support both quite well, so it comes down to which runs the game the fastest without screwing up.
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I read that its recomended you use open gl on nvidia cards and direct 3d on ati cards. Counter strike being the exception which runs much better on open gl on either cards. Interesting thing i found on the internet Gabe Newell, the game designer for hl2 claims that Half Life 2 will run 40% faster on the new ati card X800 than the geforce 6800 ultra, because half life 2 is very dependant on direct x 9 and ati has better support for it. While doom 3 runs better on the nvidia cards because it isn't as dependant on d3d or direct x 9 and the nvidia card 6800 has more power behind it.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2004, 07:18:59 PM »
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At e3 hl2 was showcased with a ati card, and doom 2 with a nivida card right.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2004, 07:48:56 AM »
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DirectX is evil...
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2004, 08:03:22 AM »
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Agreed. Valve totally smashed any possibility of porting HL2 to Max or linux by deciding to go with DirectX exclusively. I'm always gonna have a sore spot with them over that.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2004, 09:56:02 AM »
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well directX 9 is pretty powerful, I think it surpasses openGL at this point which is why they used it... but porter can you get HL1 for mac or linux?
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2004, 09:59:44 AM »
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If I could I wouldn't own a PC. 
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2004, 10:04:53 AM »
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And plus, the "more powerful" thing isn't an argument-- you need hardware to take advantage of it anyway, and by restricting the game to ONLY DX9 graphics cards, they are limiting their audience unnecessarily. I understand a certain minimum level of graphical detail needs to be maintained to keep the game believable, but I don't want to be forced into a specific format to maintain that.
Even if the OpenGL rendering is inferior in quality, it would play on a hell of a lot more cards than the DX9 alone is going to, and just getting the game into people's hands is going to make them want to upgrade their graphics card. It shouldn't work the other way around-- where you HAVE to get a graphics card before the game is useable. The fact that there won't be a Mac port is kind of secondary to the point.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2004, 10:47:11 AM »
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Agreed. Valve totally smashed any possibility of porting HL2 to Max or linux by deciding to go with DirectX exclusively. I'm always gonna have a sore spot with them over that.
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Personally, I think a lot of developers will have a sore spot over that as well. Vavle was trying to position HL2 as a next generation engine, and coupled with steam it would have been a wonderful distrobution system. Their choice to employ ONLY directX 9 code calls will limit the marketability of the engine, especially with Doom3 coming out soon. Doom3 will be the engine of choice in the near future, not HL2. Just my 2 cents.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2004, 01:10:59 PM »
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they are both going to be really sick engines.. but valve probably doesn't need to license off the engine as they already have plenty of games in under their belt to make sequels for.. HL2 can spawn CS2, DOD2, etc... all steam delivered apps. Doom3 does look SICK though.. but I think it will be close between them.. portability may allow doom3's engine to be used on other platforms, but as far as playing it on windows, they are going to be pretty close.
also porter these games coming out are pretty resource intensive and I imagine they are going to be requiring some pretty up to date cards to play well at all.. narf and I were just looking last night at some reviews of new cards and multiple game engines
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2004, 01:38:31 PM »
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also porter these games coming out are pretty resource intensive and I imagine they are going to be requiring some pretty up to date cards to play well at all.. narf and I were just looking last night at some reviews of new cards and multiple game engines
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Yeah I agree. I don't think I was arguing about them being "simple" (in terms of resources) games though. Having to upgrade to a "better" graphics card is one thing, since there are lots of those-- most of which are reasonably priced, but having to upgrade to a "full dx9 support" card is gonna cost a good chunk more, and my selection is only very top of the line cards. That blows.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2004, 02:37:22 PM »
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well directX works with just about any card you are going to buy.. the capabilities of the card itself will determine its performance in which case do you really want a crappy card.. now I will 100% agree that graphics cards are priced like they are in short supply
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2044&p=11
narf and i read through this last night since we both use 9700pros and it made us sad to see our not so old, at the moment still pretty top of the line cards, at the bottom of this list pushing unplayable frames per second on some games with some settings...
i mean no AA/AF on farcry and they were getting 113.2 fps versus 47 they got with my card...BASTARDS!
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2004, 06:00:17 PM »
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Thanks for the explanation. I kinda knew a little but now i understand. Thanks.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2004, 01:21:02 PM »
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Wow, you guys are great, thanks for all the info! Am I to believe that the open gl or the 3d one are the ones I should be using, prefferably the 3d one since I use direct x 9 now when playing back video's sometimes? 
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2004, 01:50:56 PM »
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It's really dependent on the game. I think most people would argue that the OpenGL implementation is better than D3D for Half-Life (and therefore CS), but then there are games where the D3D implementation will be better. You should use whichever one is going to make the game look and play better.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2004, 03:34:11 PM »
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Thanks Porter, I have experimented and the 3dl looks more real and i did not see any change but not sure where I should look? Will it affect my fps at all? Choke or loss?
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2004, 07:02:06 PM »
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I rember when i got my new computer working, along with my new gc. I got 14fps and everything was super sized, like in the supersize mario world ( i think world 5). It was very wierd. I was about to cal msi and be like WTF mate! Then i seached through video options and noticed that opengl wasn't on. Then when i turned on i got 100fps no problem.
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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2004, 08:15:15 AM »
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| Hey could somebody explain the differences between these three, Software, GL and 3D3? |
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Eni man, you haven't gotten that acronym right a single time!
You have "DirectX" which is MS's game API, "Direct3D" which is a component of DirectX that handles 3D graphics. "3D" on it's own refers to three dimensions, "3D3" could have been an honest mistake (or mistype), but I have no idea what "3dl" is. I know this whole topic should be done and over with, but not even TRYING to talk about the right thing, even after people have provided the exact information you need to do so, makes you sound as dumb as a brick man.
You may not care, and I may not care (I don't care), but my residual impression of you is that you have an intelligence level lower than biggums, and I'm going to tend to treat you like a child because of it. That's a shame, because you're preventing us from ever communicating like mature reasonable adults, and that precludes a lot of truly interesting discussions.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2004, 10:39:37 AM »
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Porter I got all the info you gave me and sorry I could not remember the proper names! Another fkin mean reply from you that was uncalled for. When I got home and was able to look again I understood what you were saying and realized I had named them incorrectly. I am blown away with the constant fkin bull crap, I'm smarter than everybody else, you•re stupid, and you•re a jerk. You wonder why people are still killing humans in this day and age. People just like to hate, push down, and dominate!!
Thanks for the good info, the rest of your input your a fkin joke! My un-intelligent ass closed on a real estate deal this week-end, I almost finished installing a new kitchen in one of my units, and I replaced a hot water heater, worked on a retaining wall, re-placed my front brakes and installed some fog lights. I have been in the military as an airfield management specialist, gone to school, have my real estate license and insurance license, spent many years at The Home Depot as a store manager and am now a Trade Broker. Thanks for all your derogatory input my retarded ass will try and understand it!
Yo Biggums what resolution you play at now? You are definitely good man! you 11th on my kill stats 11 for me 34 for you! You must have really enjoyed that! Curious to your res, I have been told that the larger things are the larger the pixels are and the easier to hit. I have tried playing at like 640 x 800 and it looks boxy and I get bug eyed!
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2004, 11:06:26 AM »
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porter your a dick.
you have this ooo im so much smarter than you attitude.. so what he messed up D3D. Yeah that is grounds for calling him an idiot.... he is obviously not super computer savy, and to make a comment when you could have simply just made your explination. You complain that biggums makes stupid comments well yours just took the cake my friend.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2004, 11:17:26 AM »
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Guys, why is every thread turning into an argument these days? Tolerance = happy times 
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I'll point it out in a friendly way before Porter comes back firing...
Its not 640x800...its 640x480 and 800x600
Porter, you must be one of those closet techies that makes fun of everyone who doesnt know as much as you? go ahead, admit it to all of us and it'll be ok. Your just different cause you like to be right? I bet you make a lot of useless and derogatory comments about people you see on a daily basis...maybe laugh about it with your other "different" friends. I know a few people like you and I really dont like them much.
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Re:Software, GL and 3D3? Difference?
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2004, 12:09:53 PM »
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You keep taking things the wrong way man. I apologize for not making my post clear enough to begin with.  If you want take what I said as being all high and mighty go ahead, but it isn't anything that a dozen other people here haven't already said-- you come across as unintelligent...though I don't have ANY doubts that you ARE in fact very intelligent.
There's a big difference there, and please don't accuse me of thinking you're actually dumb again. I never made that claim, and if you had bothered to read what I had REALLY written, you wouldn't be trying to defend your intelligence by telling me you can install a water heater.  Look, I'm going to say this again:
*I think you are intelligent.
*I think you don't write your posts intelligently.
*I think if you spent more time on your posts, people would give you more respect-- including me.
*I think that if you put a little more time and effort into your posts, people would have the impression that you are intelligent and care about what you are writing.
*I think these things will get you good responses.
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Apparently NOBODY bothered to read what I wrote.
You may not care, and I may not care (I don't care), but my residual impression of you is that you have an intelligence level lower than biggums, and I'm going to tend to treat you like a child because of it. That's a shame, because you're preventing us from ever communicating like mature reasonable adults, and that precludes a lot of truly interesting discussions.
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Eni had plenty of time to correct his (entirely honest) mistakes in his later posts. There's no reason to continuing actively using inaccurate information when the accurate information has JUST been given to you on a silver plate! I don't have any sympathy for people that don't even try to better themselves.
I feel my comments were (mostly) politely expressed and well justified. The slam at biggums I happily take full credit for, so feel free to berate me all you like for that. Whether you like or agree with it or not, at least *I* was being honest with the guy. Even the most brilliant genius is going to be treated like an idiot if he acts like one-- I think Eni deserved to know how his words were being received.
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I bet you make a lot of useless and derogatory comments about people you see on a daily basis...maybe laugh about it with your other "different" friends.
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Actually I've always been one of those people you're talking about getting laughed at.
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Porter, to me time is money. I agree I rush and sometimes may ask some stupid question. That•s why you ask to learn, I tell everybody treat people as if you were trying to court them. How many things do we look over or ignore when we want something. I could take more time and will try in the future; I am always going 100 miles an hour!
My hot water tank and everything else was to say hey I am better rounded than the average guy! I have met guys with PHD•s that were brilliant in there field but otherwise were morons! I like lot's of things and have learned them by trying or sucking somebody else•s brain. I was just doing a little sucking man; I love computers but really am a noob when it comes to them. But I am trying and appreciate your positive response on the matter of the different video explanations. I found it confusing with all the different res choices. I also found that when I went to certain resolutions my gun would end up on left side, did not matter if I changed it or used cl command? Only when I changed res. did it allow me to put on left side?
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No no! I think your question was great! I'm glad you asked it, I was happy to help answer it, and I'm very pleased it got addressed here so others can learn from it too! I have/had no issue with the question itself.
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Okay, that's your decision. Like I said, I personally think you'll get better responses if you put a little more work into your posts, but ultimately the only person who has any say in that is you.
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Okay, I understand. I wasn't trying to make fun of you, I just needed an example to help illustrate that I felt like you were going out of your way to prove something that I already believed: that you're perfectly intelligent person.
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I tend to learn that way too! See, something in common! Heh, if you were to talk to my professors, they'd have plenty to talk about when it comes to my weird questions in class.
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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2004, 12:56:12 PM »
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I also want to make sure I public apologize for not coming across how I intended in my first post. I admit I was a little peeved (at the time) that you didn't seem to care enough about the topic to start using the correct terminology once you learned them, but it is of course about as insignificant a deal as it could be. I used it as a springboard for sharing my opinions about your posting style, and judging by the popular response, I went about that the wrong way. I'm sorry Eni-- I'll try to word my comments more... gently? in the future.
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Also can you tell me why a guy Like FoolJeff can be intentionally whacked and get no spiteful responses? I get the biggest laughs from him, I do not attack him and he show's off his monkey t-shirt purchase.
My god I am not the richest guy in the world, not even close! I love to hear from friends when they buy something new, all the things i was sharing were mostly comp. related. I was enjoying them and wanted others to know what's out there. Like the DSP-500 head set from Platonic•s those dang things are amazing, have definitely helped my game. I can really tell where somebody is coming from, not that it always helps me survive! I tell you this I have reduced my Fotty back stabbings by 90%!
I just don•t understand the nasty comments, I will tell you this you will not be able to get away with the kind of demeaning attitude in the work force. I have been responsible for managing 150 people and you never get 100% of super stars. It would have been very easy to rip into people but there work ethic and chance for stealing from you would go way up! We are all different, we all have different views, it's the discussion and respect level that is important. Finding the right position for the person and never saying something you regret, or ever put yourself above somebody. I was known as Robin Hood at the Home Depot because I was always helping out the little guy, no matter where they were from or what they knew. It's called empowering somebody and watching them hopefully grow. Lot attendants that became department managers, cashiers that became store managers that I had trained. I was always successful because I made the people around me successful and never cared about who was better than me, its teamwork and sharing that meant the most to me. I saw other managers fail because they did not want to share there knowledge afraid of being surpassed by one of their associates.
The way you and others have responded to me over and over is really totally un-called for. You do not force people to be like yourself or your beliefs! Try looking at the positives more often than the bad, because my grammar is bad! Do you know how many millionaires never finished even high school? You want to focus on things to bring people down, what does it solve, focus on the person and there intentions, NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING! Always ask nicely or nicely address your concerns, there are a lot of you that the way you converse here would have some people robbing you blind, undermining you behind your back or quitting because your communications skills are demeaning! Sugar goes farther than spice, I have seen some brilliant guys who were assholes and could not get the morale of a store above poor because they JUST DID NOT GET IT! How many times have I heard that from people here including Skip a friend of mine! Because I did not want to spell check my post I am marked an idiot, come stay at my house here in Rochester or Puerto Rico and hang out with me for a week-end I'll show you what kind of idiot I really am!
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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2004, 01:38:41 PM »
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Porter, Biggums, Nittany one thing you will learn from me is a kind soul. I make mistakes everyday all day long; it's those mistakes that make me stronger and smarter. People make comments all the time that is there anything you can•t do or have done. I feel besides being a Doctor, because the whole blood thing, it does not make me sick but I truly feel the pain. I feel there is nothing I can•t learn or do. Many of the things I have done or accomplished that impressed somebody were actually my first time. It's the point of believing and trying and not caring if you fail or look foolish that matters. Do you think I care if you guys think I am an idiot, no it's the mean way you represent it that enrages me. Some of the things I have done or accomplished other have done also and done it better!
The reason I mentioned the names above is one thing you don't know about me is tomorrow is tomorrow and unless you injure or threaten my family tomorrow is a new day. I have never held a grudge and enemies have become my best friends, I don•t like hate or anger in my world. I have no hateful felling for any of you and find this all really sad.
None of you should be judging anybody for any reason with just a FORUM interaction to judge a person by! I drive my wife crazy because I am always giving my shirt of my back for other people, some she thinks are not that deserving. I like to help people I like to learn and I like to teach, there are so many amazing things to experience out in this world. I have friends from many of the places I have visited in the world that were total strangers. I love people, nice people, I do not care what you have, I care if you•re a good person. One of my friends is from Jamaica, he was our beach bouncer, cleaned our starfish, got us coconuts, and drove us around. This guy had a Russian car that was really beat up and only an am radio. He was so nice and giving when we were there I got him a 79 dollar cd radio for his car and helped him put it in my last day there. The guy brought his whole family to see me off, he did not speak well never finished school, but he was a good soul I could sense it! Other•s would look down on a man like this, not me I look down only on mean people, there is never an excuse for being mean!
Sad thing about all of this is you judge a man by his grammar, what if I just had bad grammar? Did you ever think of how you might be embarrassing somebody? To tell you the truth I was A PSAT merit scholarship award winner in school and combined SAT score were 1280, not bad and grammar was my poorest class! I read a book a week and love literature, have been in Stephen Kings home and still find grammar tedious!
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« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2004, 01:54:29 PM »
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I understand what you're saying, and once again ask you not to say that I think you're unintelligent, which I already quite emphatically said is not the case.
Can I ask you what I should be "judging you on" if not your grammar? (Not that anyone is really "judging," but for lack of a better word...) Have I ever met you? Can I really make a person out of you from anything BUT these forums? To me, you are only the words in this forum. I can't make anything else out of you.
Doesn't it then behoove you to ensure you make the textual representation of yourself as accurate and complete as possible? Won't we get a better idea of who you keep 'saying' you are that way? You say time is money, I say typing a couple clear sentences is a good investment in this community.
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« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2004, 02:04:50 PM »
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I don't know why you keep bringing up my name.
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« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2004, 02:09:32 PM »
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its just a fun name to say
ya know... like is it
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« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2004, 02:11:19 PM »
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I understand what you're saying, and once again ask you not to say that I think you're unintelligent, which I already quite emphatically said is not the case.
Can I ask you what I should be "judging you on" if not your grammar? (Not that anyone is really "judging," but for lack of a better word...) Have I ever met you? Can I really make a person out of you from anything BUT these forums? To me, you are only the words in this forum. I can't make anything else out of you.
Doesn't it then behoove you to ensure you make the textual representation of yourself as accurate and complete as possible? Won't we get a better idea of who you keep 'saying' you are that way? You say time is money, I say typing a couple clear sentences is a good investment in this community.
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porter do you really go out of your way to talk like an episode of Dawson's Creek? or do you just type like that? I mean do you use words like behoove in your normal every day conversations???
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« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2004, 02:15:29 PM »
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I mean do you use words like behoove in your normal every day conversations???
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« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2004, 02:45:08 PM »
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Point well taken, but still no excuse for the way you go about putting somebody down and how many others do in this FORUM! You obviously excel in the literary world because you speak eloquently, not that this sheds any light on your true character. We must go beyond words or grammar and commit some time into a human being to see the depth of their being, don•t you think? You are saying to me because of words that you just pass people over and look down upon them! I see plenty of spelling and grammar errors here; I do not even think twice of them or think less of that person. Why because what is important to you is not to me, get it! It's the overall consistency of where there coming from and what there thinking and how they interact that I even begin too make assumptions! I do not want your grammar to become like mine I just want you to judge me on my character and my past. You•re going to miss out on a lot of great people over the years with that attitude. I guess people who do not dress as well as you or have as good hygiene as you, because it is not important to them or there too busy. These people should be looked down upon? You are forcing me to believe that I must spend more time on my grammar to get my point across; I must be more like you? Obviously by the beauty of your words I will never be as good writing as you, that does not mean my words are any less important or meaningful or sincere.
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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2004, 02:56:40 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2004, 03:02:44 PM »
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what is it with you UK types?? you just always want to hump something
aren't there chicks over there???
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« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2004, 03:17:31 PM »
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Indeed. I never claimed to better than you at anything, and I'll ask you a third time not to suggest as much.
Ironically, this thread is a bit of a case in point though: your posts tend to be VERY difficult to extract ANY meaning out of, so in that sense; yes, your posts are less meaningful-- they tend toward the "gibberish" end of the spectrum, to be honest.
Look, ALL I ever said amounts to this: you can't expect your words to be taken seriously by others if you yourself don't take your own words seriously. If you don't care about what you're saying, I sure as hell am not going to care about what you're saying either! You can't very well expect otherwise, can you??
If you're fine with that state of affairs, okay, we're done here. No skin off anyone's back. What strikes me as odd is that even though you keep proclaiming that you don't care at all about this forum or the people that frequent it, you keep posting, usually in your own defense! You even seemed *gasp* insulted by my (admittedly misguided and inappropriate) comments earlier! Weird.
I just don't think you have a leg to stand on getting upset about somebody saying you don't take time to construct your posts in a grammatically correct and intelligent fashion... when you don't take the time to construct your posts in a grammatically correct and intelligent fashion!
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« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2004, 03:18:04 PM »
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It is NiTTany as in knit-tan-knee. Many people prounounce it nigh-tan-knee, which is incorrect, but I don't care. I've been playing as nooblar lately and i'm not sure on the pronounciation of that one. It could be newb-blar or new-blar.
The way they tie in is "Tis I, nittany, Ye olde faithful nooblar"
On another note, honestly enialator, I don't get why my name keeps coming up in your posts. One thing you might learn is that if you post incorrect information, i'll correct you. If you get mad and fire back at my correction insulting me, i'll ante up. Seriously though, let's bury the hatchet and move on.
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« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2004, 03:21:02 PM »
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wouldnt it be newb-lar, as the double consonant separates the two syllables?
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« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2004, 03:26:06 PM »
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There is a triple consonant neWBLar, so I don't know
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« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2004, 03:27:51 PM »
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This is far better conversation than before.
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Ironically, this thread is a bit of a case in point though: your posts tend to be VERY difficult to extract ANY meaning out of, so in that sense; yes, your posts are less meaningful-- they tend toward the "gibberish" end of the spectrum, to be honest.
Look, ALL I ever said amounts to this: you can't expect your words to be taken seriously by others if you yourself don't take your own words seriously. If you don't care about what you're saying, I sure as hell am not going to care about what you're saying either! You can very well expect otherwise, can you??
If you're fine with that state of affairs, okay, we're done here. No skin off anyone's back. What strikes me as odd is that even though you keep proclaiming that you don't care at all about this forum or the people that frequent it, you keep posting, usually in your own defense! You even seemed *gasp* insulted by my (admittedly misguided and inappropriate) comments earlier! Weird.
I just don't think you have a leg to stand on getting upset about somebody saying you don't take time to construct your posts in a grammatically correct and intelligent fashion... when you don't take the time to construct your posts in a grammatically correct and intelligent fashion!
Your response in itself show's how your putting me down, gibberish and still telling me because of my grammar my thoughts have no meaning! You•re still being derogatory and pushing your thoughts and beliefs as if it were everyone•s!!!? I read posts with spelling errors and do not feel like you so where the fk do you come off!!! 
Never once have I said that I did not take any of this serious; I just specified and defended not wanting to take the time to proof read! Because others also do not do this and I still am able to interpret there meaning do I in anyway look down upon them! I have spoken to many deep people with great thought that were illiterate or could not even read! That in no way meant I should look less upon there thought or beliefs! Why don•t you go back to all the post and call out every person who has put in bad grammar or a mindless topic, JERK!
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« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2004, 03:53:47 PM »
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Ah... eh, not worth it anymore. Skip was right.
PS: I'd rather be insultingly honest than a complimentary liar.
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Skip was right, oh because you both need to feel above because your grammar is better! People who don't do this will never be taken seriously!
I can say this I have never talked down, attacked or forced my beliefs on anyone, just interacted!
I do not think like you or Skip and do not pass judgment on somebody because there grammar or the way they interact is not up to my standards! Trust me I get people like you all to well! The point that either you or Skip are worried how people think of me really comes down to I think an opportunity to put yourselves above somebody! You both write better than I and feel it's important to make people feel the way you do. A FORUM that should be fun and care free is like the FKIN grammar police!
Anytime you want to compare bank accounts let me know I know how to spell my name!
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« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2004, 04:11:59 PM »
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There is a triple consonant neWBLar, so I don't know
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but the wb consonants flow together, where as you have to change mouth positions to go from B to L
on the issue of grammar, I follow the rule that if a person who writes something can't take the time to write it right, I dont have the time to read it.
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Enialator - he's not trying to put you down nor raise himself above you on any level. The point he's trying to make is that some of your posts are difficult to read and can therefore cause confusion.
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« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2004, 05:03:38 PM »
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Enialator - he's not trying to put you down nor raise himself above you on any level. The point he's trying to make is that some of your posts are difficult to read and can therefore cause confusion.
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Done and done. Bury the hatchet like Nittany said, and move on with your life. Enialator if time is money, quit wasting your time arguing over something as petty as this and Porter you can get back to playing with your Mac.
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« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2004, 05:04:14 PM »
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Guys, why is every thread turning into an argument these days? Tolerance = happy times
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I apolajize for any confusion.
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Yeah, i missed most of this thread, but I don't think it is going to any productive help area...I'll lock it unless someone can prove to me otherwise.
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I think it's already locked Tenshi. Hence the little lock icon in the listing. 
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