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« on: July 20, 2003, 07:30:00 PM »
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Has anyone's adephia cable been acting like crap lately? I can't even play CS on my days off anymore. Any ideas on how to fix it?
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2003, 07:32:13 PM »
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adelphia has the tendancy to over sell the ammount of space they have. when there are more people on, the slower it will be..sorry
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2003, 08:17:46 PM »
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NEg, adelphia rox0r here. 3500+mbps down, 128k up solid....
QUite possibly there might be not enough gain on your line. Call them and ask them to do a signal test of the line. Have your mac address handy. Then if you got the right modem (I use a terayon tj615 leased one here) hit your internal modem test page (ask the tech you speak to). Most times when you have issues where its dropping you, or you are getting high lag its because of signal interference. Are there a lot of rf converters on the line? A lot of splitters?
Lastly, no adelphia no longer oversells its bandwidth. That policy was stopped when the previous ceo was FIRED for embezling the money. Some dude from At+t runs things now, and its been totally smooth since about december for me. The occassional mail server reboot, but thats about it.
Call em, and ask em to test the line, they will prolly do route traces from yahoo and linux.org to check signal quality (you can do this yourself at http://www.dslreports.com). Try rebooting the comp/modem and/or router if you own one. Sometimes the cache needs to be cleared in order for it to go back to normal operation. Also, when you call ask if they are experiencing any problems at the "local hub" for your area. A few times I've seen problems when the main server (gateway) was down for repair.
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Re:Adelphia
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2003, 08:43:31 PM »
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Gotta love a company that when it starts having problems, it removes the technical support boards from it's webpage. Customer service with a smile, eh? 
And even though Mr. Rigas & Sons are on the outside of the company now, I have not heard of them having to pay off any loans yet, and they're not in jail...pretty nice that some guy could rob you for $5 and go to jail, but screw around with millions, possibly hundreds of millions, and not get in trouble.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2003, 08:51:04 AM »
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And even though Mr. Rigas & Sons are on the outside of the company now, I have not heard of them having to pay off any loans yet, and they're not in jail...pretty nice that some guy could rob you for $5 and go to jail, but screw around with millions, possibly hundreds of millions, and not get in trouble.
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Yep, one who downloads mp3s will go to jail before they do. God bless america.
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2003, 09:40:33 AM »
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Well, I hope you guys who DL the stuff stupid people like me PAY for eventually get some sort of backlash...if anything simply because it is encouraging a breakdown in a tenet of our society, quid pro quo.
Otherwise we might as well go back to at least the 18th century, possibly as far back as the 14th.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2003, 11:00:03 AM »
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I only dl "demos" just my "demos" last a lot longer then others. Nothing illegal with dln demos...8)
AS to adelphia, YOU JINXED ME TRIGGERS! About half an hour after my post, my cable modem crapped out on me. Turns out Adelphia (pittsburgh, Monroeville) main server crashed hard last night. I called and requested a credit for the downtime, maybe you should look into it...Btw, You must live damn close to me, thats the only server that was down last night. So what part of PA are you from? I am over here near Johnstown, and the tech I spoke with said the only other call they had so far was from Indiana, PA. Was that you? 
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2003, 03:23:08 PM »
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Sorry ribs 
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2003, 04:13:29 PM »
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I download mp3s when someone puts out a CD and I like about two songs on it. I also download them when the artist is a dumbass and doesn't release a good song.
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2003, 04:25:31 PM »
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Why DL an album when there are no good songs on it?
Did you ever hear of buying your mp3 singles?
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2003, 04:31:14 PM »
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I meant downloading 2 songs on the crap album.
Did you ever hear of buying your mp3 singles?
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Maybe if I could get hired somewhere, but until then I don't plan on buying anything  . But think about it, do these artists need ANY more money? Despite the 30% sales drop, they're all filthy rich. The only thing they've lost is one of their solid gold toilets.
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2003, 06:57:08 PM »
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while i love piracy and disagree with ribs, the fact that the artist is still rich doesn't make it okay to steal from them.
I consciously break the rule :-p
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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2003, 07:09:17 PM »
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one of my favorite bands, the Offspring, actually promote piracy, and totally supported Napster during that whole trial. they sold napster shirts on their site.
now tell me that isnt cool.
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2003, 08:08:24 PM »
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Deuce, if you make $10 an hour and want to give $2 of every hour's work to hobos who haven't done a thing for you or anyone else, that's your perogative and you're very generous.
Some people would prefer to make what they earn.
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2003, 11:45:55 PM »
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Ribs I think you just need to see it from our point of view. Ok, piraters are like the Robin Hoods of our generation. They steal from the rich record companies because the artist is already paid when the records come out. Then they give it to the poor kids like us with the latest computers and broadband wan connections who couldn't afford to buy the music ourselves. Now you're seeing it.
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2003, 08:04:13 AM »
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How many CDs could you buy if you didn't pay $40 a month for cable internet and $1,000+ for a gaming rig? Ah, but you don't pay for that...then tell your folks you'd rather have CDs than a computer.
Not everyone in the music business is the wealthy person lighting cigars with burning $100 bills. And again...it does not matter how rich you are...even Mr. Buffet or Mr. Gates are going to complain if you try to charge them $50 for a cheeseburger...
At one point in time, if you couldn't afford something, you learned to live without it. I am unemployed...am I then justified in sneaking into your house and taking your computer, because I KNOW your parents can afford a dozen of them?
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2003, 10:13:13 AM »
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Do you ever think some artists make more than they deserve? OMG have you ever watched MTV?
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2003, 02:02:58 PM »
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Okay, a little bit of business education:
Person X has a product.
Person Y wants that product.
Person X has to determine how they want to sell that product. You draw a graph. At $1 a pop, a million people buy that item. At $1,000,000 noone buys it. At $ 500,000 you find one idiot willing to buy it. Etc. You determine the best price point for the product by comparing units you can sell by price at each point on the graph, as modified by fixed costs and variable costs.
If Person X puts their CD out for $100, then don't buy it. They will lower the price or they will starve.
This is a morality question...if you do not want to pay the price a product is offered for, you do not have justification to just take it. There are some exceptions to the rule (ie: AIDs drugs sold to African nations are sold for a tiny fraction of what they cost here), but you're not Robin Hood...you're a theif. There is no way to wriggle out from under that label. Lots of people get what they don't deserve, and lots of people get more than they deserve. Unless you're God you really don't have any say in it.
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Unless you're God you really don't have any say in it.
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What if i started a religion that held the belief that I was God?
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Then you better come up with a platform; Gods that don't have good platforms usually die out.
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Deuce, if you make $10 an hour and want to give $2 of every hour's work to hobos who haven't done a thing for you or anyone else, that's your perogative and you're very generous.
Some people would prefer to make what they earn.
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i was just stating that some bands actually dont mind if people download there music..offspring has downloadable music on their website.
perhaps they care more about their music then other bands *cough metallica cough*
besides..the music i download my brother or i have already bought. check my computer and you will see that 95% of my music is greenday, offspring, or reel big fish..and i have all those cds
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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2003, 04:09:02 PM »
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anyone read the USA today, today. There was a article about every person who has registered for kazza or other filesharing programs, will be sent a letter saying that someone using this ip has dowloaded songs, and it will be "followed up" which pretty much means they are gona try to press charges aginst every kazza user there is.
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anyone read the USA today, today. There was a article about every person who has registered for kazza or other filesharing programs, will be sent a letter saying that someone using this ip has dowloaded songs, and it will be "followed up" which pretty much means they are gona try to press charges aginst every kazza user there is.
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Is that the only place it says that? Can you find an online article somewhere about it?
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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2003, 04:30:06 PM »
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Don't worry about that, there would be a million things that have to happen in order for them to catch people using kazaa for illegal purposes. First they would have to either have spiders watching all network traffic around the world for people with suspicious data, or they would have to sniff individual connections everywhere. But the biggest point is that until they pass more bullshit DMCA garbage, anyone using kazaa is protected under the Internet Privacy Law passed by Bill Clinton. They can send all the letters they want, and I'll sue their asses for every last one of them that I get. (not that i use kazaa anyway.) Besides, many people use kazaa for legal things...such as...ummm...underground porn? lol...maybe not...Anyway the point is don't worry about it. Kazaa has proprietary encryption set on all data between nodes and clients, so unless the RIAA wants to sit down for a millenia to break it, they aren't going to do shit.
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Don't worry about that, there would be a million things that have to happen in order for them to catch people using kazaa for illegal purposes. First they would have to either have spiders watching all network traffic around the world for people with suspicious data, or they would have to sniff individual connections everywhere. But the biggest point is that until they pass more bullshit DMCA garbage, anyone using kazaa is protected under the Internet Privacy Law passed by Bill Clinton. They can send all the letters they want, and I'll sue their asses for every last one of them that I get. (not that i use kazaa anyway.) Besides, many people use kazaa for legal things...such as...ummm...underground porn? lol...maybe not...Anyway the point is don't worry about it. Kazaa has proprietary encryption set on all data between nodes and clients, so unless the RIAA wants to sit down for a millenia to break it, they aren't going to do shit.
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Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking.
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« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2003, 05:26:47 PM »
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Ribs I was being sarcastic in the other post. My point was that most of us could afford it easily. However, I don't feel like i'm stealing anything at all when I download entire albums in a few minutes. I'd feel bad if it was some band trying to make it. I don't do that however. The thing that gets me is that even when napster was at its peak and the record companies were like omg slice! CD sales had actually increased.... significantly... The artists I care about, but the monopolizing record companies can die.
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« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2003, 06:29:41 PM »
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Ribs has some points, but thats only speaking about theory.
Truth is, when napster came out, record sales (that started to slump) went through a 20% boost. How do they repay the favor? By suing the company that was making them money. Yes, they did have the right to sue, it was illegal, but it was making them money. Currently the only real way we have to listen to new music is to wait for hours till the radio stations play that one song we like.
After the record companies sued napster, their profits went back down. Everyone saw them as greedy and decided to download the music, and not buy the CD's. Napster put on their homepage something about the lawsuit and the companies that were suing them, and the bands that were on Napsters side. Everyone was being encouraged to download everyones music, but only purchase the bands that support Napster. I personally own about 150 CD's, so I don't have any remorse for downloading a song here or there to hear it for the first time.
But that was a few years ago, and now its all turned to greed. I personally believe any song that is played on the radio should be available for download. If a band wants to release a song to the public, let them. It will only promote them and help their sales.
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You can't make something illlegal if the people don't feel it too. Prohibition anyone? Don't tell me it doesn't create an illegal underground. Back when some kids would have a cd burned and 90% of others didn't. They would be like i'll burn you this cd for 5 bucks. Someone would be like like oh yes burn it for me cause I don't want to have to pay 16 dollars for a cd. Well, if the other file sharing sites go down that is all its going to be. CD pimps running mad through high schools with turf wars. Is that what you want? And can someone explain to me how the hell you pay the same amount for a cd and a dvd. Making a movie is slightly more expensive... and so are dvd's... and so are there cases...
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And can someone explain to me how the hell you pay the same amount for a cd and a dvd. Making a movie is slightly more expensive... and so are dvd's... and so are there cases...
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« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2003, 10:18:56 PM »
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It's called "perceived value"...which is why CDs were priced more expensively than vinyl and tape when it was actually cheaper to produced. It's a common business tactic.
You look at those $99 gadgets you buy in the store, if they sold it just based on cost and desired return, it might have gone for 80 or 95, but at 99 you make certain mental associations. Believe it or not, how items are priced is a very interesting topic.
Nittany, your example of prohibition doesn't work for one simple fact: You still had to PAY for your hooch. And if you didn't pay for it, they wouldn't mail you a letter...your house would burn down. My grandfather did a bit of bootlegging when he was young.
MM, actually, I have no problem at all with people who DL stuff as a sort of "demo", and then either buy the software/cd/dvd or delete it, and yes it has helped record sales increase 20%. BUT on the other side of the coin, potential record sales in the absolute sense probably shrank, because people who when they had money would have eventually purchased albums now have no need to, or they just accumulate tremendous backlogs of music, or <stopping here because I don't have time to get into it>.
I agree more bands should put out music demos as a way to increase sales...I know there are a number of albums I've purchased full price because I could sample it on the artist's website first...I just think it should be the artist's choice if their material should be distributed.
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It's called "perceived value"...which is why CDs were priced more expensively than vinyl and tape when it was actually cheaper to produced. It's a common business tactic.
You look at those $99 gadgets you buy in the store, if they sold it just based on cost and desired return, it might have gone for 80 or 95, but at 99 you make certain mental associations. Believe it or not, how items are priced is a very interesting topic.
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Yeah, this is true except I percieve dvd's as being much more valuable then a cd.
Nittany, your example of prohibition doesn't work for one simple fact: You still had to PAY for your hooch. And if you didn't pay for it, they wouldn't mail you a letter...your house would burn down. My grandfather did a bit of bootlegging when he was young.
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The example came from what would happen if the file sharing stopped. Then you would have people burning bootlegged copies and selling them cause they could just burn off the cd.
Maybe it was a lil confusing.
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« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2003, 09:48:19 AM »
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http://www.apple.com/music/store/
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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2003, 11:24:53 AM »
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99 cents a song is a rip off.
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Re:Adelphia (aka. "argue about piracy" thread)
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2003, 11:33:53 AM »
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One pack of cigarettes = $4?
So 5 cigarettes = $1
You can't buy a cheeseburger for a dollar, even the really terrible garbage sold by the chians.
Renting a computer at one of those LAN places is how much an hour? $7 and up?
You have a song forever, can listen to it 20 years later (as I sit here listening to Misfits stuff that is older than most ofyou). You tell me $1 a song is too expensive if it's a good song.
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Re:Adelphia (aka. "argue about piracy" thread)
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2003, 04:54:00 PM »
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The main point that people miss is that piracy is theft. It is plain old theft. You can spin it anyway you want, but in the end, you are obtaining a product that you didn't pay for. Period. End of story. It doesn't matter that you feel justified because you think all musicians/artists/actors are rich, or that you feel secure because you think you won't get caught. In the end, when it is all said and done, you stole something. You are a theif. It is the same as if you walked into a store, and walked out with something that you didn't pay for.
So Ribs, I'm with you. I used to use Kazaa, and Emule, and Napster back in the day. Now, I don't. If I want something, I GO AND BUY IT. I don't steal it. The last thing I DL'd off of Emule was NOLF2, and you know what, it was such a great game that I felt like I had cheated the author by not paying for it. I went out and bought it the next day.
OK, I'll get off my soapbox now. I guess my point is, stop stealing sh*t, get a frickin job, save your money and buy it.
Nuff said
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Re:Adelphia (aka. "argue about piracy" thread)
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2003, 06:04:19 PM »
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Re:Adelphia (aka. "argue about piracy" thread)
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2003, 10:29:07 PM »
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OK, I'll get off my soapbox now. I guess my point is, stop stealing sh*t, get a frickin job, save your money and buy it.
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I do work 30-35 hours a week. But slight you are a thief yourself because you stole my heart.
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Re:Adelphia (aka. "argue about piracy" thread)
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2003, 06:35:28 PM »
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On topic:
Adelphia is back to its normalness (somehow I am down about 500k bandwidth though, not my usual 3500+kbps)
You can check it out for yourself
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests/3076800;122511;a1f18e49f77b76d17a2710cf848b67dc;2.0;www.dslreports.com/1059175968
This second one is a lil closer to normal (musta been a lot of net traffic when I did the first one)...
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests/3195816;124416;cf819965dc811c4c277f9c0bd9e0c020;2.0;www.dslreports.com/1059176100
Those two tests were run out of the net@ccess test server in New Jersey.
And this one according to bandwidth place....
Results
3.7 megabits per second
Run the test again Discuss in the forum
Details
Your raw speed was 3698626.87 bits per second which is the same as:
Communications
3.7 megabits per second
How communication devices are rated. Kilo means 1,000 and mega means 1,000,000. Examples include 56k modem and 10Mbit Ethernet
Storage
451.5 kilobytes per second
The way data is measured on your hard drive and how file sharing and FTP programs measure transfer speeds. Kilo is 1,024 and mega is 1,048,576.
1MB file download
2.3 seconds
The time it would take you to download a 1 megabyte file at this speed.
Rating
Compared to all connection types worldwide, yours is fantastic
Comparisons
not enough data yet
This one at toast.net...
http://www.toast.net/performance/results.asp?testtype=4&loadtime=4.28
This test was done @ www.cablemodem.net
Your download speed is 409 kilobytes per second.
For comparison purposes here are typical speeds for common Internet connections. Speeds are listed in kilobytes per second.
Method Speed
56 k modem 6
128 k ISDN 16
1 Mb DSL 125
Cable modem1 150
T-1 Line 188
I am two times as fast as a t1 line, hehehe. Shame thats only my DL rate. My upload sucks as you can see on the dslreports lists...
AS you can see Adelphia is knockin em out the park right now DURING PEAK USAGE HOURS! Friday night 741pm....8)
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