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[Guardian] Redundancy
« on: March 02, 2004, 08:03:45 PM »
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Have you noticed that all the threads start with [Guardian] lately? That is kind of redundant guys. Yep redundant. [Guardian] should be used sparingly and rationed out like rations. In conclussion I will use a "smilie" because I haven't ever used one here before. 
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2004, 08:49:16 PM »
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ok, this is starting to get silly 
Cant we all just get along? 
How about we just delete the Redundancy threads, and forget this ever happened, lol.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2004, 09:33:36 PM »
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Yes, lets just forget about all off these posts /deleat all!
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2004, 09:39:25 PM »
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so when do i become leader of guardian?
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2004, 09:58:20 PM »
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Well now that tenshi claims he isn't apart of our clan anymore (thanks too wumpa) i will have too decide on promoting people. Depends on who wants to be on my good side or not 
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2004, 10:00:06 PM »
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tenshi isnt part of the clan anymore? i dib it.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2004, 10:34:13 PM »
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I am on the dark side !
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2004, 10:35:15 PM »
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Guess your not getting promoted then kitty  
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2004, 10:36:24 PM »
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can i just declare myself leader now and get it over with?
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2004, 10:38:35 PM »
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Over my dead body!
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2004, 10:40:26 PM »
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that can be arranged.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2004, 10:40:56 PM »
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Ok ok your both done! just for that nobody is gonna be promoted up too one off the leader spots you all are on my bad side now 
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2004, 02:16:38 AM »
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Well now that tenshi claims he isn't apart of our clan anymore (thanks too wumpa) i will have too decide on promoting people. Depends on who wants to be on my good side or not
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no, it has nothing to do with wumpa...
if you really want to know, it has to do with comments like that.
do you listen when i talk to you?
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2004, 05:46:34 AM »
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Hum? Did I miss something, or am I just not very observant.... 
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2004, 08:10:49 AM »
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The Guardians used to all know each other in real life, like Wumpa, so Tenshi and XF interact frequently outside of CS. Point being: yes, you probably missed something.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2004, 08:24:02 AM »
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Why cant we be friends?
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2004, 12:31:07 PM »
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I declare war on you all!!!! 
I'll scratch you all over your bodies then feed you to my imaginary pink hippopotamus with blue dots!
Meow!
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2004, 12:52:27 PM »
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Rofl kitty +karma for you
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2004, 01:03:33 PM »
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Look, I'm not saying anything too harsh, but I'm tired of everything I say about this clan just going in one ear and out the other...if you want my ideas, then listen to them. If not then I'll fade into the background without another word...
This started with XF wanting to start a competitive side to guardian, that was never my intention with this clan. If it's his, then you go boy. Have fun, but kaoz and bayne will murder you all. There are alot of other things that this clan should do prior to trying to go competitive, and you're blinding yourself by not realizing that.
Half this clan seems to barely acknowledge the other half, and the only solution I've heard to that is let's split guardian in half, and have scrim nights....That defeats the purpose of trying to bring the clan together. It to the contrary divides the clan down the middle, taking all of the "member power" we tried to build and destroying most, if not all of it.
We busted my rear for along time to try and create a name for guardian that was extremely positive on this server, we were different from most other clans, and we were different for a reason. I like to think it was because of the bonds we formed with some of the staples of the group with people like Deuce and KittyCat, and their efforts to play the way the game was meant to be played.
If there are people that want to be competitive, then fine, I don't care, by all means, let them. But I don't think that's what the name guardian stands for, nor do I believe that's what it should stand for.
Guardian is supposed to be a bond between players that believe in the style of game play that is supported here at CSR.
I worked very hard on my end to help make Guardian what it is, and I tried to pattern things off of Wumpa because they had such a good reputation on the server, but Guardian was different because alot of the people we were trying to rely on were people we had never met before...deuce, kittycat, jb, etc. It has been alot of fun, and I want that to continue, but my feelings are that so many members have bonded with XF and myself, but not with other members of the clan...I don't exactly know how to fix that away. Whatever...
Guardian means alot to me, and I don't want to turn my back on it, but I really wish you'd be alot less brash about your decisions and what you say...
I'll continue this later class now...
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2004, 01:47:30 PM »
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I think what we need here is a large [Guardian] group-hug with which to cement our existing relationships and build new ones. Actually a group-hug might be too uncomfortable not to mention dangerous. How about a group-handshake? Maybe a group high-five? Or a group wave? No, lets just keep things simple with a group "Acknowledgement of Existance".
Lets see there is one girl, I think shes probably called called [Guardian] Girl or [Guardian] Female or something.
Then theres [Guardian] X-rated who is risque.
Uh I'm drawing a blank, [Guardian] Teriyaki?
[Guardian] Ph 14 is very basic.
[Guardian] Ace wants to be number 1 but is destined to be only in second place.
And then the guys who are are in wumpa and guardian somehow, possibly Double Agents [DoubleAgent] Decca-Her and [DoubleAgent] Roc Rook.
Yep that seems like everyone. Wow I feel like we have bonded.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2004, 02:29:56 PM »
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Tenshi, even if nothing else comes of all this, you've once again made me proud to have you as a Wumpa... for whatever that's worth.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2004, 04:01:52 PM »
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how about u just let me in and ill be the leader ? =)
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2004, 04:03:57 PM »
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*what on earth is going on here*
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2004, 06:06:17 PM »
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I'm half-tempted to just leave what I wrote as it stands, but there are just a few more things I need to get off my chest...
I'm very glad that KittyCat was willing and able to support a Clan Guardian Server, I think that's really cool. However, some people thinks that will solve some of the problems I've mentioned above, it to the contrary only makes those problems worse. We now have a server here, and there, so we we are now splitting our forces yet again...those who play on CSR, and those who play on "our" server.
I originally misunderstood, and thought that was going to be a smaller server designed souly for us to practice scrimming on and to host scrims on (such as the long overdue wumpa vs. guardian scrim, and the guardian vs. b/s scrim, etc.) I just don't see a point in trying to do more than that on it, and that isn't offensive to kitty cat. That would be like taking everything that Porter has done here to support/host CSR and just throw it up in the air and be like "oh well", and for what?? A server that is missing all of custom plugins that Porter has worked so closely with the admin team to develop?? I've seen some of what Porter has done, and follow alot of his ideas very closely (more so then most anyway,) and he has done ALOT of work with ALOT of man hours behind it, not to mention the countless amounts of money that yu^rei has shelled out for nothing other then he thinks this is a cool idea.
The worst side of this is, I don't know what I want to come out of this at this point.
Do I want a tight knit group of people that enjoys playing CS, and enjoys hanging out, talking to each other etc?
Damn right I do.
Do I want our own server, competitive team, etc??
Maybe...but I'd much rather have the other things first...
Do I want to leave guardian??
No...but if all the other clan members think I'm just loco,
then, maybe it's better off.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2004, 06:26:23 PM »
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I don't want to step on any toes here, but everything that Tenshi has said are the same reasons (to some extent) that I felt it necessary to leave Guardian. I loved playing with you guys, but Wumpa stands for so much more than just group of people who like to play CS. We're a TEAM, we play as a TEAM and that doesn't always mean winning, but it means doing all that you can the best that you can and having fun with it at the same time.
I opened the Guardian forums one day and all of a sudden I see a post about Justboy, then Miscreant and Alkali and I'm sitting here going "What the heck is going on?" Not that they aren't all great CS players, but there was never any communication about it with those of us that were already in the clan. When I first joined Wumpa and when I was accepted back in, an email was sent to EVERYONE in the clan getting EVERYONE'S approval first. That just feels more right to me, especially when you are trying to make tight knit team who can play together and work as a team to help each other build skills that one person may have more experience with.
Like I said, I'm not trying to step on any toes, but I never gave an explination as to my leaving and I figured now was as good a time as any.
Good luck to you Tenshi, whatever you decide. I'm proud to have you as a fellow Wumpa!
Best wishes to Guardian with whatever direction you guys take. I'll see you all on the server....
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2004, 06:33:39 PM »
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Ok time for me to reply in the best way I can. (excuse me if I ramble).
I dont pretend to understand whats going on recently around here. When I joined it seemed everything was great, I talk to everyone, everyone talks to everyone else, all looks great.
I understand all of what tenshi has written, and I do agree that splitting resources between servers may not be best plan for general play. However, if used as a scrim/practice server I can fully understand the use of 'our' server, because we dont want to tie up CSR server for ourselves - lets face it its a big community server, so its best if our own clan scrims or practice take place there, but otherwise we play CSR....
Now onto the next thing... about this clan thing and Wumpa/Guardian thing... It seems to me you dont have to change clans just so you dont have to scrim or practice?! I have absolutely no problem if people in the clan arent interested in clan practice or whatever - thats fine dont bother me in the slightest if theres only 4 of us who practice. I dont mind.
Next thing... clan leader... whats all this about whos clan leader and blah blah blah about he she or it being the leader. I know this may be such an awful suggestion, but why do we have to have a boss? arent we all grown up enough to respect each other, and not have one? I thought we were all kinda on a level when I arrived, everyone took part, no-one was bossing anyone else around, all was great.
Finally, what on earth has happened to deuce? Is it a guardian problem, or general problem...?
Hum.. Im running out of things to say. I am confused, you know that already, I wrote it a few hours ago... Someone help me.
Tenshi, dont you go leaving us if you can help it, it seems we got stuff to sort out if ya wanna help.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2004, 06:42:26 PM »
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Well I just read Yunas post... I was writing mine while she posted...
Its starting to make sence now...
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2004, 06:43:10 PM »
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the poor information on recruiting was just as much my fault as it was XF's. He and I would talk about things, and then decide, unless another clan member raised an issue over it.
Of course, once Omega took leave, things got harder to get the right confirmation on, and alot of things happened (some great, some just ok). It wasn't a perfect system, but I still believe things turned out okay.
I'm not going to say we haven't made mistakes...we have. But I think now we want to start refining the group that we have together now before trying to move on to bigger and better, we need to make sure that what we have is solid. A solid group of combatants/brethren at arms to take each others back, and work as a team...
at least, that is my hope.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2004, 06:46:17 PM »
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Sounds good Tenshi...
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2004, 07:00:38 PM »
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There are alot of other things that this clan should do prior to trying to go competitive, and you're blinding yourself by not realizing that.
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Like what? I am defienitly open to any of your ideas.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2004, 07:21:05 PM »
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There are alot of other things that this clan should do prior to trying to go competitive, and you're blinding yourself by not realizing that.
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Like what? I am defienitly open to any of your ideas.
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Little simple things like getting to know each other, talking to each more, and getting to know each others habits. Is XF a walker or a runner?? What gun doss he prefer? which gun is he not so experienced with? What strengths and weaknesses does he have as a player, is he a funny guy, or a serious guy?? If the bomb is planted at site b, which way does he assume your looking (if any)? What about kitty cat?? Does deuce have a mic, or does he just not like to use it??
It's kind of part of being a team, which I'm sure will help you all before you try and be competitive (if that's what you really want to do), but can we try and solidify what we have first??
To be honest, I'm half suprised you even knew that PK and I were both in wumpa and guardian Miscreant. I mean, we just seem so "unbonded" at the moment, and that is a big hurdle to get over, and though it could happen over night, I highly, highly, doubt it will for everyone.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2004, 07:52:15 PM »
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Ok, here is what I got to say, you might not like it but I'll tell it anyway.
Since when people started to think than a game like counter-strike was a kind of thing where you get to be close to people and where respect and stuff was a thing you were trying to get?
I'm sorry but this is far from my point of view. Maybe if I tell you how I became a gamer girl that might help you understand my point of view.
Guys around me introduced me to 1st person shooter in old time, my cousins and other poeple like that. I played every good 1st person since Wolfeinstein 3D and wasnt really as addicted before. My first clan was with school friends and other people in the original Team Fortress in quake. Never, we were making this clan about being togheter or stuff like that. We were in leagues, having matchs every week and everything was fun. You know it's not because we werent the best that it wasnt fun. What I mean here is that you don't need to be the best to have fun.
One point that was told is that people like Koaz and dwayne would own us. So what? Isnt it a game where you play for fun? Seems like it isn't for some people. Who cares if you lose or win, this is a game.
After a while people started to stop playing TF so the clan evantually disbanded. I joined other clans with people I never knew and had as much as fun if not more other times. Then finally I lost my attraction to TF and just stoped playing. Yes I had fun pub servers where I was playing, but never had one like CSR really.
1 or 2 years after, some friends show me beta 1 or 2 of CS but didnt really liked it at first. But finally in beta 3 I got the addiction. We started our clan and finally in beta 4 got in the first league finally available for CS. We even won the first Comeptition in Quebec under beta 5 I think. But like every clan, it finally disbanded because of real life stuff. I joined other clans, played a lot still and finally lost the fun after long.
After more than a year I had stoped, Omega got me into CSR and I found a fun place to play. I joined Guardian because I found it funny to be part of a clan again. But at first I didnt know what the the clan was about. I finally understood it was friend stuff and you guys were having fun togheter as a clan on a pub server. And seriously I was thining about staying until I find a real clan where I would have league games in first times. Finally I didnt really want to go back in this but always wanted some real war anyway.
What I mean with all this is a few things :
- CSR is a pub server, it's fun yes, but it's only pub games of CS, not the real thing like clan matches can give you. Not the stress it can give you, not everything it can give you.
- It's fun to have a clan and have a name and feeling respected, but if that's really only what you want, why CS tell me? Does it make you really feel so much better knowing that you have a supposly respected clan in a PUB server where most of the people just don't even care what tag you have in front of your name?
- Knowing people or not in real life doesnt change the feeling you got to your people in clan really, makes you close to RL people but for the rest, it's just as good, most of the best clans in the world have many people not knowing each other in RL.
- If Guardian is and really must stay a PUB "respected" clan on it, well let it stay it's ok. Or just join Wumpa, it seems it's even better...
And btw about that thing you told tenshi about not having the features from CSR on our server, do you really care that much? I mean, this is just features, doesnt change your game play, the AWP and Shield ban do though. And if you feel good about CSR and how it works I'm happy for you all, we can't all approve how things work.
Just for an example, we had a server in my old clan over here, every guns were available, no swear filters either and the server was running 10 times better than CSR overall. Why? People were free, didnt feel restricted by saying stuff or getting banned for supposly stacking teams or getting baned and keeping people under ignorance on reasons of bans. Sure people werent really making AWP wars in this time. And too, if you people know a little about french, we have so many more swears than in english, and we never baned people for swearing. It's part of language, part of life, part of us all. We can't control 14 years old from being idiots on servers, if you don't like them just ban them I dunno. I mean, c'mon, even banning the word "damn" is pushing it. Do you kick people's ass at job because they say damn or im fucking tired of this fucking computer not working when they are pissed?
Anyway, all this are my opinions, you guys don't have to agree, I found the subject a good opportunity to tell my opinions. Feel free to flame me or do whatever you want. I don't really care, all I see now is poeple leaving the server because of issues like this.
I know I'm forgeting stuff or some of my stuff must not seem very good, but I'm trying to tell my arguments as best as possible, me not the best in english.
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« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2004, 07:56:14 PM »
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Ok, those pieces of knowledge come naturally from playing with each other enough. So I think the best way to improve Guardian towards those ends would be to have clan meetings/practices.
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« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2004, 11:32:34 PM »
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Why I joined Guardian
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fy_joust is the worlds most awful map. its laggy as hell, really unplayable, and looks like a newb with no knowledge of mapping made it. which is all true. i hadnt the slightest idea what i was doing when i made it. but since i did make it, i sure as hell was gonna play the hell out of it whenever i could.
of course, this was all before i had admin. so the only way i could actually play the map was to convince an admin to switch the map. luckily i found an admin who liked it. so for a good two weeks in a row, i had xf change the map to joust everytime i could get him too.
a few days later, in a conversation i was having with someone, i mentioned that if i could, i'd want to be in guardian or TWB. the next day i got an invitation from xf, approval from tenshi, and was inducted into guardian the day after. ironically enough, it was the same time i got admin.
Flash forward to late summer 2003. justboy had came back, and was clanless after -guH- disbanded. while in an aztec game he was playing with me and xf, he asked if he could join the clan. for the next few months, i had the funnest time playing counterstrike with xf and jb. why? because i was playing with 2 people who i enjoyed playing counter-strike the most.
So what does guardian mean to me? after the first day i joined it meant to me people i enjoyed playing with. since tenshi has hinted on it a few times already in his posts, i'll come out and say it right now: i did not like the decision that tenshi made of letting miscreant and terraji into the clan. and i had two reasons why: #1, they were people i barely ever talked too, and #2, the decision to let them in was not even discussed with the rest, let alone even told to the rest. i found out about it after i saw them in game with the clan tag. to me, letting those two join was against what i thought guardian was to me, and to me my reasons were justified.
of course, ive accepted miscreant and terraji as clan members, but no offense to either of you: you wont get to know me as well as the others. that is because i have a preference to play with people i already know. which is one reason why i had no problems with alkali joining guardian: i have fun playing with him. i hope you two arent offended, as i have no intention to offend you. i'm just stating the facts.
lets see..whats next..ah. clan conflict. i'll address this one simply: xf and i are competitive. we always have been. and that wont change. my competition with xf makes me better..i gotta work harder to beat him (which btw, he has a big command over me..40-28..)
anyway. now that thats done..onto quotes..
| We busted my rear for along time to try and create a name for guardian that was extremely positive on this server, we were different from most other clans, and we were different for a reason. |
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a name we still have. i dont know if you realize it or not tenshi, but i get TONS of requests from people who want to join guardian. all of them say because they like what guardian is. for some reason a few of you (you, porter, yuna) have an opinion that guardian is no longer like that. i will say you are wrong.
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my home is CSR. not the guardian server. (besides..i'm already so close to taking CSR over anyway..why start anew on another server? )
| I loved playing with you guys, but Wumpa stands for so much more than just group of people who like to play CS. We're a TEAM, we play as a TEAM and that doesn't always mean winning, but it means doing all that you can the best that you can and having fun with it at the same time. |
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i often raised my voice on recruiting. in fact i imagine i've resulted in a few people not joining guardian. which is probably a reason why i was previously upset about the terraji and miscreant joining.. after being told about people who wanted to join, and asked about my opinions, i was totally ignored.
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i'm surpised too. especially since i myself consider you more wumpa then guardian. hell..even the thought of PK being part of guardian is funny. i dont know if you intended it, but in my opinion you joining wumpa is the reason for you thinking guardian is "unbonded". it makes no sense to me that one of the leaders of the clan doesnt even wear the tag (or didnt even have it as a main tag when you did have both tags..what would have been wrong with [Guardian] Tenshi [Wumpa]?)
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CSR gives me entertainment. it gives me something to do. it gives me an activity that i can do with others. thats all i need.
| - It's fun to have a clan and have a name and feeling respected, but if that's really only what you want, why CS tell me? Does it make you really feel so much better knowing that you have a supposly respected clan in a PUB server where most of the people just don't even care what tag you have in front of your name? |
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i do have a mic. although i hate using mics, i would use it except for one key factor: my rabbit chewed through the cord.
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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2004, 12:02:43 AM »
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To answer the now deleted answer of Deuce, the thing is that I was waiting for someone to comment on my comments, to tell me how im wrong or something, that's all.
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Just for an example, we had a server in my old clan over here, every guns were available, no swear filters either and the server was running 10 times better than CSR overall.
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What are admins here for then tell me? See, if someone annoys you, you kick him after a few warnings. But on csr, it's censored, but you still gotta do the warning job then kick/ban... That's the point. It doesnt change anything to hide the words.
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« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2004, 12:13:37 AM »
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the whole censoring thing is something that differs between admins. i'll use myself an example.
i for one do not care if someone randomly swears as long as the censor blocks it. for example:
PlayerX dies from headshot.
PlayerX : ****
and thats it. word is censored. end of swearing. nothing else happens. in a situation like this i let it end like that.. though if something like this happens:
PlayerX dies from headshot.
PlayerX : **** that ****** nub *** *** ****
that is when i would warn them about the language. the difference between the first and second examples is that the second example the player is hostile.
this is what i go by. other admins do not like swearing at all. but when it comes down to it, this is CSR rules. consider yourself lucky that it isnt like csreview, where a friend and i were banned for saying the word "suck"
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« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2004, 02:40:29 AM »
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I understand what you are saying Kitty and KAoz too, but it would feel very wierd to be on the CSR server and have people saying "f... this" etc... I know we still have to kick/ban if they continue but it just doesnt feel right to have anyone swear on CSR in the first place - and the filter protects everyone from that (unless they bypass of course)...
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« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2004, 11:27:19 AM »
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But seriously, It sounds to me like this clan needs some restructuring. If does not include me, I will not be hurt or bitter or whatever, and it will do absolutly nothing to change the fact that I enjoy playing with you guys alot and enjoy seeing you on the server. Guardian was appealing to me when I joined because it didnt seem to be about the 1337-ness of the tag, it was about having fun and not being an idiot. I know you all are now accepting of Miscreant and I and that I am thankful for, but lets just keep all the animosity out in the open from now on where it doesn't rip people apart.
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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2004, 11:43:41 AM »
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Just joking. Ok thanks Deuce for actually coming out and saying that.
When I first started playing I really liked scoutzknives because I found out the scout could be an effective weapon at close range, especially when your opponent merely had a knife out. You liked scoutzknivez too Duece and changed to that map frequently and you usually did the best on it. After a while I started getting good and one day I had the best score on that map and I said to myself "nice I'm beating Deuce".
When Tenshi asked me if I wanted to be in Guardian I said yes because I knew Deuce was a good player and from what I remember I'm not sure if it is true because Justboy had a ping like mine of around 250 but played really great and I wanted to learn all the tricks from him. When Tenshi said "I'll have to talk over your joining with X-factor" I didn't even know who X-factor was.
So after I joined is when I'd say my problem came. I had the Guardian tag on for the third or second time and joined a game and some Guardian was in it I don't remember who and I didn't even speak to them. Must have been some new clan shyness thing but it continued. My shyness is over now but I just continue to not to speak to some of you out of habit.
Time to break the habit.
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« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2004, 01:18:43 PM »
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That's still not what i'm even talking about... Try typing admin_chat before everything you need to say.... then realize how simple yet important things like bp_chatmode are.
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« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2004, 02:20:53 PM »
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What the hell you're talking about tenshi?
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« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2004, 02:57:50 PM »
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He's talking about one of the custom plugins running on CSR. It seems that Tenshi's opinion is that the plugin makes CSR a better server to be an admin on.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2004, 11:00:31 AM »
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fy_joust is the worlds most awful map. its laggy as hell, really unplayable, and looks like a newb with no knowledge of mapping made it.
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And I really wish you'd learnt your lesson from it
Ah the banter...
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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2004, 03:44:19 PM »
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btw, as far as recruiting terraji and miscreant...I'm fully aware that was a tid brash, but those two were the first two players who I'd seen in a very long time who actually were respectful and showed some skill. They might not be the most skilled players on the server, but neither am I, and those guys were actually still holding some dialogue with me, simple things like ns, gga, nt. They seemed to have made CSR their home, but no one seemed to welcome them in. I thought with their skill and attitude if guardian didn't welcome them, someone else would, and quickly...so i took intiative and went with my gut. I frankly find it kind of silly that Deuce doesn't think he'll EVER bond with you guys. That to me implies a one sided player, who's not willing to learn from other players...but whatever, his choice.
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« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2004, 04:15:34 PM »
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2004, 04:32:57 PM »
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ok, what is all this about now?
All this squabbling is turning me off big time.
Is it too much to ask to just come up with a solution an leave it behind us?
That soltion could include some or all of the following:
1) Draft a constitution that lays out who makes the decsions (one person or by democratic means) and what is proper conduct of the clan towards fellow members of the clan and non-members.
2) kick me and miscreant out of the clan and regress to the happy utopian state that was before.
3) realize this is all silly and get on with our lives in a mature manner
I have fun playing counterstrike with fellow Guardians. I do not have fun reading this forum.
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« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2004, 04:42:02 PM »
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Aye, i will have to agree with you Terraji we all just need to stop all these grudges we have with each other just get back too the way it was. I dont care what you guys have to do fight it out fist to fist or whatever lets just go back and be the guild we were along time ago.
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« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2004, 05:17:44 PM »
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took me a long chat with the founding fathers of our nation, but i think i got this constitution thing down pretty well.
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« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2004, 07:31:28 PM »
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took me a long chat with the founding fathers of our nation, but i think i got this constitution thing down pretty well.
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This is why I love you deuce
This is what I'd like to see:
A) Start an approval chain, final decisions about split members still made by the original trinity, but I do think the clan should start voicing their opinions. (of course again, I think we're at a pretty happy number at the moment).
B) Get up, and move on. Terraji and Miscreant stay, deuce's problems with them are his own. I really hope that over time, he'll get over him, he's just slow sometimes. You two are kinda quiet, and I think that's why he hasn't taken to you very much yet...I really don't think it's a big deal.
C) I really think guardian server should be a scrim server for the moment. At least, I won't be playing there anytime soon. However, I think that really opens some other doors for us...getting script files to better announce match start and what not could be cool, and some other things like maybe score announcements or something. We could really make it similar to the "cal servers" of Biggums lore. If people want to go competitive, I prefer that they start something seperate [halo-guardian] or something should be more then sufficient.
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« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2004, 07:31:47 PM »
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I agree with Terraji, leave this thread dead right now. It does nothing except propagate negative ideas and thoughts.
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Re:[Guardian] Redundancy
« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2004, 09:21:01 PM »
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Consider this thread locked then since like alk said we dont want to have anymore negative thoughts or anything envolved with that on this thread. There its done end off story Deuce can keep his thoughts about terraji, miscreant too himself and the rest can just move on  ..
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