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« on: September 09, 2004, 12:51:38 AM »
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Ok guys I•m helping deuce get started on some new maps that me and tenshi want him to work on. Its going to be based on our old high school. So right now I•m going to be working on the basic layout for this map, since our school is so huge it will take at least two-three different maps to be able to cover the whole thing. This is going to be mainly De_ maps so yuna, porter, and Pk when you see this put in some ideas that come in your head if you wish. I am also well aware that this probably will take longer then cs_reloaded to make. So wish us luck!!
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2004, 01:00:38 AM »
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Though i think a map of STCHS would be a very neat and interesting, I think we have to be very real and very careful about "limiting the playing field" and chosing what to include and what not to include. Two or Three maps is awfully zealous, and though I applaud the idea, and I think we should start one at a time if people want to do this. One map alone could take well over a year or more as we've seen how long a collaboration project like cs_reloaded took.
As of right now, the hardest part is getting some sort of floor plan laid out. I'd be interested to see what kind of response we'd get if we just tried to walk around STCHS as it is. Take some pictures and see what we get. I also wonder if there is some sort of floor plan pre-renovation that actually has the layout of the things we all knew and love. I don't see why something like that wouldn't be released to us now days...not like we can bomb a school that doesn't exist  Anyway, if we are going to start, that's the place to start I guess. Narrowing it down, and getting a basic floor plan.
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EDIT - if there is one thread I'd like yu^rei to read, this would probably be it.
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2004, 04:45:14 AM »
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Remember: will you still be able to maintain interest in this once CS:S is out?
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2004, 05:35:59 AM »
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Could they not do the ground work, like layout, now - and then make it into a CS:S map? Wouldn't that be the best thing - or is CS:S going to be totally different to map in?
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2004, 08:52:36 AM »
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Different. Although it may be possible to convert from CS to CS:S, I think that's been mentioned in interviews at some point.
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2004, 10:18:39 AM »
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Different. Although it may be possible to convert from CS to CS:S, I think that's been mentioned in interviews at some point.
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That was actually one of the things Valve worked hard on. I know I've read that they purposefully made tools to make moving from Steam to Source a [relatively] easy affair. A lot of teams have time and projects committed to HL1-based mods right now, and they won't want to replicate all their effort to port the mod to Source. This is an important selling point for HL2. Even if they haven't done a single thing right since Steam, Valve DOES value the mod community a TON, and they listen to their needs. I point to the VERC as my primary example.
Anyway, I'm fairly certain you won't get left behind if you start this as a Steam:CS project now and plan to transition to CS:S later, but it wouldn't hurt to research it some more.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2004, 10:23:28 AM »
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I also think that it would be wise to focus on a single map for now until you realize what you've gotten yourself into. As for recreating the school WE knew, I don't know how possible that will be. I haven't been in there since the day we graduated, and I only have vague memories of what it was like while I was there. yurei and I do have a somewhat decent image collection though, that might be a first source for textures and references, but it won't be NEARLY enough to get the job done. I think you're going to have to model it after the school as it is now, and try to incorporate elements from our time there afterwards.
If you plan on touring the school, do NOT mention anything to do with "Counter-Strike". However harmless our intent may be, I doubt public schools (or the police) would be as sympathetic. ANYTHING that involves terrorists needs to be avoided if you want to stand any chance of getting in there. Of course, that's just my opinion, but I'm gonna bring my digital camera and laugh a lot when I come to bail you guys out from the STCPD.
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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2004, 10:35:34 AM »
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X-Factor and Deuce walk into the school office. Hi we need your school blue prints along with a set of keys so we can map out your school for this... special project...
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2004, 11:35:43 AM »
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X-Factor and Deuce walk into the school office. Hi we need your school blue prints along with a set of keys so we can map out your school for this... special project...
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why would i walk into a school with xf? he lives in a different state then i do 
that being said, i DID do what you mentioned above last summer.. got a nice map of my high school by lieing and saying it was for a special project that i was working on for the school's imaging lab.
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2004, 11:55:09 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2004, 01:52:53 PM »
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It shouldn't be terribly difficult to get ahold of a current map as frosh get lost all the time and visitors need to know how to get around. Though you obvioulsy want the old version. I'm sure you if you gave some allumni bs you might get somewhere. I like your idea and the best of luck because me and my friend were going to make a map of my work place. Would have been a riot to bomb the Hobart or the bar.
As for CS S, I personally don't really feel like upgrading my comp to get more than 20 fps. I'm going to be playing cs for quite some time.
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2004, 02:46:19 PM »
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Well, seeing as I went to STC(E)HS I'll put in my two bits:
I would say go for a de_ map with the Commons and the Library as your two bombing locations. That gives you a two floor scenario with the sites in fairly close proximity to each other (kind of like nuke). (I would say save the Dunham wing and Norris for other projects.) I've got a fairly good recollection of how things were laid out (seeing as it's been less time since I've graduated than Yu'rei, Porter, or Tenshi) but I'm not sure how I'd be able to help you guys unless I literally drew something out for you guys (which would take time that I really don't have right now). I'll try to keep it in mind and see if I can't come up with anything else for you guys.
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2004, 04:23:25 PM »
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As for CS S, I personally don't really feel like upgrading my comp to get more than 20 fps. I'm going to be playing cs for quite some time.
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Ditto. I haven't been impressed by CS:S yet, and until I am I'll be playing CS.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2004, 06:06:38 PM »
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I think I may still have one of the old handbooks laying around somewhere. I'll check tonight when I get home and if I do I'll scan in the map and post it.
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2004, 06:53:14 PM »
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Hey, I love the idea, I remember Porter and I tossing around this idea a while back as a Quake map or something. Ive laid out a general map while Yuna is looking, were going to refine it tonight. I already got a satelite pic of the school from 99, so that helped a bit.
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2004, 07:53:21 PM »
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Awesome Job yurei and yuna. This shoudl help out alot i am going to start maping out the other rooms tonight as well. We should all get togeither sometime and talk about it figure out what we want done. If thats cool with you guys
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2004, 08:03:07 PM »
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wow, that's more progress then i thought we'd make. If you three are free this weekend, maybe X and i should stop over at Yu^rei's?? I'm kind of thinking of a similar layout to what PK said though. I think that would be cool.
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2004, 09:39:00 PM »
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I think we are all going to be free for some amount of time this weekend. Yu'rei has class on Saturday until 1, but after that we should be free. Let us know guys.
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2004, 10:09:37 PM »
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That should work fine for me. I will be up by Noon and probably just meet tenshi their. So expect me over by 2:00 i dont know about tenshi though.
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2004, 10:48:11 AM »
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All right we've found a map, which I will scan, chop up, and post after Porter so kindly hooks up the scanner... . Do you want me to give the rundown of what we were thinking also? Or should I not go that far yet? 
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2004, 02:30:02 PM »
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All right, I have everything scanned in and cleaned up a bit. I want to proceed, but you guys have to be available for me to go over this stuff again with. I want to make sure I'm putting things in the right places on the sketches for Deuce before I send him anything (i.e. the bomb-sites...)
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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2004, 02:38:58 PM »
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send any stuff to my uvm email. porter should have it, as it is my msn name
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If its possible i would like you to post up what you have done as well. So i can take a look at it see what you cut off what not..
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I have not cut anything off yet. I just want to know where the sites are going to be for sure before I send anything to anyone. PLEASE LET ME KNOW ASAP
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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2004, 04:14:24 PM »
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I hope this isn't going to stop you finishing the models we need for cs_reloaded
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« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2004, 04:15:57 PM »
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All right, here's the preliminary stuff for our map. I can upload changes to these whenever we decide on something so let me know.
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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2004, 04:33:17 PM »
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could you highlight the areas of the map that you actually want playable? i also cant figure out where those staircases are going to where.
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2004, 08:02:40 PM »
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Okay, here's a rough idea of what we want available for game play. I understand having the classrooms open will be a huge pain, so I think we'll save those for the easter eggs we'll be adding. So here you go for now. 
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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2004, 08:14:45 PM »
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Wow guys, this really kicks arse! I'm looking forward to playing this map a lot. Anyone else looking at the layout I hope sees the amount of fun this map could be. Heh, hopefully we don't get prosecuted or anything for making a map like this... 0=)
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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2004, 10:15:40 AM »
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Wow I can not believe they gave out floor plans for a school in this day and age!
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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2004, 10:45:11 AM »
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Wow I can not believe they gave out floor plans for a school in this day and age!
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We scanned them from one of our old school handbooks.
The school has been heavily renovated since we all graduated-- these plans are no longer accurate anyway, so there isn't much harm in using them.
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I don't know if you've ever been to high school, but Frosh get scared and lost all the time so maps are free flowing. In the agenda/planner they give out at the begining of the year, it contains the floor plans for all the schools in our district. Why they roll that way I can't tell you.
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I don't know if you've ever been to high school
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I don't know if you've ever been to high school
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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2004, 04:32:42 PM »
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How many kids would have been in your year groups?
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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2004, 05:36:30 PM »
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why not make it playble with awp? that stair way should be good for the people that want to scout?
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There were 760 in my graduating class. That makes the population around 3000 (counting all 4 classes) without including the teachers and other staff. It was a huge mess trying to squeeze all those people into hallways during the five minute passing periods between each class. That is also the reason there are now 2 high schools instead of just the one.
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There were 760 in my graduating class. That makes the population around 3000 (counting all 4 classes) without including the teachers and other staff. It was a huge mess trying to squeeze all those people into hallways during the five minute passing periods between each class. That is also the reason there are now 2 high schools instead of just the one.
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I assume then, Yuna, that you didn't know everybody by name My 6th year group was certainly less than 100.
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2004, 08:20:05 AM »
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Good luck on the project people - it looks rather nifty already and I'll always be up for a playtest or if you need me to phone anyone up and try to sell them household appliances I can do that too. It doesn't really have anything to do with the map but I'll do it if you want me to. Erm.
My final class was about 50 people and I was awarded Most Intelligent, Most Likely To Succeed and Best Impression of a Small Rabbit Dieing Due To Intestinal Failure Caused By Radiation. They won't forget me in a hurry.
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2004, 09:43:16 AM »
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Come on JB we all know that only 1 of those 3 is actually true!!! 
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2004, 10:00:33 AM »
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| Good luck on the project people - it looks rather nifty already and I'll always be up for a playtest or Small Rabbit Dieing Due To Intestinal Failure Caused By Radiation |
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thats odd.. take away the radiation part and thats how my rabbit died..
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2004, 10:09:29 AM »
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why not make it playble with awp? that stair way should be good for the people that want to scout?
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!? take out the awp part
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2004, 12:10:52 AM »
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Okay, this project had a very nice start, but I'm kind of stuck in terms of what we need to give you next Deuce. Do you need much more other textures? What gameplay questions do you have for us at this point? Is your head still spinning from the vastness that is our school?  Just trying to keep things rolling...
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2004, 10:05:51 AM »
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right now i am recovery from a nasty cold i have had for the past week.
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2004, 01:38:44 PM »
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Get better...NOW!
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2004, 03:47:10 PM »
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I thought you'd given up on your magic powers after you turned turned JB into an "Annoying Ethnic TV Chef" while trying to remove the curse that led to him spending the rest of his days as part man part toaster!!!
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2005, 08:35:37 AM »
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I thought you'd given up on your magic powers after you turned turned JB into an "Annoying Ethnic TV Chef" while trying to remove the curse that led to him spending the rest of his days as part man part toaster!!!
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Funny mate!
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2005, 08:45:08 AM »
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Random thread resurrection!
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2005, 11:16:08 AM »
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And from the title I thought something new and refreshing had been added to the server. 
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Re:New de_maps...
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2005, 06:02:20 PM »
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I'll scare something up for you SG
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