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Should CSR ban the Ballistic Shield as a matter of policy? (Meaning permanently like the AWP.)

Yes, the Shield should be banned on CSR.		8 (27%)
No, CSR should leave the Shield enabled.		14 (48%)
I don't care.		0 (0%)
I've got a better idea! (Post below.)		0 (0%)
NEW Use Porter's plugin idea!		7 (24%)

Total Votes: 29

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Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« on: September 29, 2003, 04:31:06 PM »

I need to make something very clear here. This poll is NOT the only deciding factor that will be taken into account. The CSR Staff will use this poll mainly to determine the popular opinion of the server. A decision (and possibly a decision making process) for this topic will be worked out after this poll is closed. Let me say this ahead of time just to head some people off: This poll isn't going to decide if CSR bans the Shield or not! It's just to test the waters!

You are free to try to encourage people to vote, or rally for your opinion. You can not in any way try to force people to agree with you.

Naturally, we would like as much input as possible from the community seeing as this could possibly be a very significant decision, so if you know of somebody that doesn't check the boards very often, please encourage them to stop by and get their opinion heard!

Lastly, this poll is a result of ReconGamer applying a patch to the server. You can read the news bit here.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2003, 04:42:55 PM »

My Vote: Yes

Reason: I love the concept of the shield (seeing how i love using the deagle). But it is so unrealistic, and it unbalances game play. I say keep it banned until:

1) Valve decides that the shield is unrealistic and unfair and fixes it

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2) Valve releases new items that can potentionally even out the shield.

I haven't seen a list of items in Condition Zero (I dont even know if there is one that exists), but I imagine that there must be items that can counteract the shield. And I imagine that once every new item is out..it would be fair..but the shield by itself with no way to counter it is not fair.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2003, 05:23:45 PM »

Quote from: Deuce on September 29, 2003, 04:42:55 PM

Vote: Yes

Reason: I love the concept of the shield (seeing how i love using the deagle). But it is so unrealistic, and it unbalances game play. I say keep it banned until:

1) Valve decides that the shield is unrealistic and unfair and fixes it

or

2) Valve releases new items that can potentionally even out the shield.

I haven't seen a list of items in Condition Zero (I dont even know if there is one that exists), but I imagine that there must be items that can counteract the shield. And I imagine that once every new item is out..it would be fair..but the shield by itself with no way to counter it is not fair.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2003, 05:42:47 PM »

Quote from: Zeus on September 29, 2003, 05:23:45 PM

Quote from: Deuce on September 29, 2003, 04:42:55 PM

i 2# that

Hmm... I would say maybe if that is AN option... I did vote to keep it in the poll... only cause I never even got to play with it yet, and I aint too sure sure on it yet either.

The Awp should be definitely banned, but dont u think that maybe there is a way we can... ourselves figure out a way to counter-act the shield... C'mon I know many of you, that have played for many many years... and we've found so many things that a normal, first time person that never played the game wouldn't know of... The walls that you can shoot through in Italy is a prime example. Who says we couldn't find a way to counter-act the shield.

I see your people's opinion, but as I stand now, I think we should keep the shield, no matter how un-realistic it maybe, or how unfair it is. Theres always a way that you can figure out a problem, whether it is real life, or in a game called Counter-strike.

We dont have to rely on Valve to make it more fair, or find out ways to counter-act it. Do your parents help you with buying a house at 25?

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2003, 05:50:00 PM »

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Do your parents help you with buying a house at 25?

i would want my parents to help me with buying a house. they would already have the experience of doing it. i wouldnt.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2003, 05:53:53 PM »

lame. lol.

Would you want your parents to arrange your marriage? as in doing everything that is associated with the wedding?
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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2003, 05:54:41 PM »

When exactly is "Condition Zero" comming out, and is it multi-player, single player??

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2003, 05:59:24 PM »

Quote from: -=]H[=-Smokey on September 29, 2003, 05:53:53 PM

lame. lol.

Would you want your parents to arrange your marriage? as in doing everything that is associated with the wedding?
lol

lame? i dont get it..

i would figure getting help from people who have experience instead of jumping into it yourself with chances of disaster is just plain common sense.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2003, 06:00:32 PM »

So following your line of logic smokey I have come up with. The awp should be banned because it hmmm let's see, maybe it hurts game play, maybe unbalences the game, or maybe it is some other reason. But keeping the shield even though it is unfair and unbalences the game play.

I voted to keep the shield only because I think it will be changed at some point and once it is banned it probably won't ever come back.

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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2003, 06:14:20 PM »

i have to agree with nittany...the shield most likely will be fixed with valve. If we ban it now, its goin to be like the awp...saying tyhat it was banned from the get go and its never coming back...if they fix it legitimentlly and it is not so unfair, then i would want it in game.

What i dont like about shield: I dont like it too particularly b/c i do think it is unfair...it totally sheilds ANY damage when being hit by it...making long distance battles a chore...then when ur firing at the sheild guy..someone without one pops out and kills u...not cool.

However, the sheild can be beaten...if they have their shield up..DO NOT FIRE AT THE SHIELD!!! THIS ACCOMPLISHES NOTHING BUT WASTE UR AMMO SO U HAVE TO RELOAD AND THEN THEY CAN KILL U!! Try to manuever around them and when u can see a body...then shoot.

WHat i think valve should do is make it so that the shield blocks bullets , but still harms the user..only less than normal....the shield also should have a "life" like after 100 "hit points" or something is taken off the shield...it then breaks and the person is left unprotected. I think this would solve MANY problems

LASTLY, what was teh exploit can some one please tell me out of curiosity?? B/c every is talkin about the exploit and stuff and i have no idea what they are talking about.

In closing, DONT BAN THE SHIELD OR WE WONT SEE IT AGAIN!!

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2003, 06:48:53 PM »

Lemme rephrase that Nittany... The AWP WILL be banned due to theres' no way its going to be on this server.... however theres always a way to go around it as well... smoke grenades, flashbangs, or just straight out shooting them down... but we all know the AWP will never be on this server, so there's no point arguing it.

Deuce, thats your own opinion, my own opinion is that how are you going to learn, if you never dare to try... try it without the help of others... again my own opinion and thats your own. Leave it to that lol

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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2003, 06:56:24 PM »

Assuming the invincibility bug thingy was fixed, I don't see a problem with the shield. I still haven't seen one person with a shield take down a whole team unless they were glitching on purpose. Sure it makes Terrors have to work a bit more. Should I mention that Defender is UBER?

What I think would be really cool is if it we could write in the map.cfg or something such that it is only on maps were CTs have a distinct disadvantage, such as assualt, militia, etc.

Have we tested the shield to prove/disprove said shield bugs have been fixed??

I also think that the price of the shield is important, it forces CTs to pick between a shield or a rifle...The shield can be beaten, especially out numbered, it'll take getting used to, cause their are startegies I've used with it, that I fall for myself (usually, when they back up, and theirs an ally around the corner).

Don't forget also, Terrors can pick up the shield too, making things worse for the CTs. I dunno, I'm kind of split, either way, we have alot of changes to get used to with 1.6, the shield can or cannot be one of those changes, I don't really care, I'm split, I'll deal either way.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2003, 07:13:13 PM »

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I voted to keep the shield only because I think it will be changed at some point and once it is banned it probably won't ever come back.

Ok so what ore we to do until its fixed lets face it its not fair for t•s

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WHat i think valve should do is make it so that the shield blocks bullets , but still harms the user..only less than normal....the shield also should have a "life" like after 100 "hit points" or something is taken off the shield...it then breaks and the person is left unprotected. I think this would solve MANY problems

This is not quake our ut that would kill the game

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Deuce, thats your own opinion, my own opinion is that how are you going to learn, if you never dare to try... try it without the help of others... again my own opinion and thats your own. Leave it to that lol

he plays with it and likes it.. what r u saying look at what he says

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2003, 07:38:48 PM »

i dont like the shield to be banned , but if it happens can we have a day for the shield ?

maybe 1 day at the week for all the weapons enabled

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2003, 07:41:47 PM »

Yeah that sounds good Neo

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2003, 08:21:23 PM »

Well, I'd personally like to see the shield enabled now that the exploits are fixed. I mean, even if people whore it to death, with the addition of new people to the admin team, we would have more coverage on the people abusing them...I think they affect gameplay in a positive way, if used right.

Now of course there will be many complaints from people whether it's enabled or disabled; if it's gone, people will want it back, if it's enabled, people will cry because they cannot kill someone who's using the shield (*cough* knife *cough*), but whatever.

It looks like the people are in favor of having it enabled at this point, and I know this isn't the only factor being taken into consideration, but hopefully this poll sways the admin team towards the option of re-enabling it...or possibly make it votable?

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2003, 08:28:06 PM »

I think if csr ban•s the shield no one will complain but if they don•t people will just like the awp

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2003, 09:21:07 PM »

I understand now Smokey.

Zeus setup a paypal accont and send me all your money when people start complaining if the shield is banned.

All the leagues still have the shield banned because they believe it is still buggy in its current form.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2003, 09:44:48 PM »

i think CSR (even with the no awp policy) should allow all weapons on the server for at least 3 months. my reasoning for this is in all its simplicity the mear fact that the game has been drasticly redesigned and balanced.
for CSR to not explore this new element is to go through life with blinders on never looking beyond a narrow point of view.

why 3 months . good question i pulled that one out of my ass but it does sound like the right amount of time to learn the new maps, learn the new weapons , learn new strats, and give valve some time to tweak things.

i know this is falling on deaf eyes but the berlin wall came done so can the CSR awp/shield wall.

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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2003, 09:57:14 PM »

Quote from: Hostage Humper on September 29, 2003, 09:44:48 PM

Bro I know what you•re saying and it makes perfect scents but we all play in other servers and know what its like to play with it

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2003, 09:59:52 PM »

Quote from: Nittany on September 29, 2003, 09:21:07 PM

and thats why it should be banned for the time being

No one is right ore wrong I•m just saying what I think

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2003, 10:01:16 PM »

hmm... he does have a good enough reason for it though... I'd have to agree with it

But I have a change I'd like to have... maybe put the limit to 3 months but maybe after a couple weeks, you could have a vote whether or not to keep it... like every other week have a vote to keep it on or off... it could make it better that way...

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2003, 10:05:24 PM »

It still has bug's so we should go 3 months with out it and after 3 months we should play with it and have another vote?

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2003, 10:13:10 PM »

Mr. Toyota Matrix has spoken the truth

PREACH IT BROTHA

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2003, 10:29:51 PM »

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2003, 10:30:05 PM »

I want to apologize to all of you for not making something clear. Let me try to do that now.

First: The AWP is banned because that's the way "CSR" likes it. We've gone over that discussion a million times. I bring it up now because if Valve were to seriously reconsider the power/cost/effectiveness/overall balance of the AWP, I honestly believe "CSR" would also reconsider keeping it banned.

The shield on the other hand has been banned up until now to protect the server from the exploits, which are now fixed. We must now decided whether to keep the shield banned based on its balance and effect on the game play as of NOW. If Valve were to release another updated that changed the shield back to what it was rumored to be a couple months ago, I for one would find it tons more fair and want to see it included in CSR's arsenal. If that were to happen, we would once again re-evaluate what people thought about it.

I personally think the Shield is meant to be a counter-balance to the AWP, but since we don't have the AWP (and we WON'T have the AWP, so I'm telling you right now not to take that track with me!) it makes sense to keep the shield out too. Even with my team preference being CT, I just can't justify the shield as a fair weapon (as it is programmed right now). That being said, I love the idea of keeping it banned but enabling it on maps like assault, militia and siege where the T's tend to have a natural advantage.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2003, 11:07:13 PM »

The shield is not unrealistic! I though that all the guns in cs are pretty realestic! Have none of you watched the amazing police videos where S.W.A.T storms the place!!! Do you know what is leading them when they enter the building... A SHIELD! So it is a realistic weapon. But anyways I dont see any point in getting rid of the shield, so i say leave it on, why lose another great weapon.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2003, 06:21:12 AM »

My problem with the shield, which Ribs mentioned earlier, is that it doesn't actually protect just the area of the shield. If I can see a knee poking out from the side of the shield or a head out of the top I should be able to hit it. I can't. It seems a bit strange to me and hence unrealistic. I don't think it's my aim.

I still want to keep the shield though. It's good fun.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2003, 06:26:45 AM »

Quote from: TheeKiller on September 29, 2003, 11:07:13 PM

being shot 5 times in the arms legs and chest, not dying and running around at full speed is not what i would exactly call realistic

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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2003, 10:35:56 AM »

theekiller are u seriouly stupid. The movie SWAT is not realistic. Those shields will stop a glock or somethin, but if i unloaded a whole ak clip on that shield, first a couple would go though. Second you would get knocked the **** off your feet.

Yes cs has real guns, but the next person who says that cs is realistic, i am gona find your house and come yell at you

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2003, 02:24:52 PM »

Maybe I should not have brought up real life anyway, and or the movies.

But any anyway keep the shield!

On a side note:
Kidshaft it would be a honor for you to yell at me.

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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2003, 02:45:14 PM »

it was with feelin not anger, sorry bro

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« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2003, 02:50:08 PM »

lol no problem man.

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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2003, 04:06:42 PM »

Quote from: Porter on September 29, 2003, 10:30:05 PM

wow you the man thats what we should do right on

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« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2003, 04:09:21 PM »

Quote from: kid$HAFT on September 30, 2003, 10:35:56 AM

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« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2003, 05:27:16 PM »

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Yes cs has real guns, but the next person who says that cs is realistic, i am gona find your house and come yell at you

I was expecting something far worse, like kill u or muder u or something else but wehn i read yell at u...i just started cracking up! haha

REgaurdless i still think the shield should not be banned for now...it is just goin to take time to get use to but the shield is beatable!! It can sometimes be really lame but eh who cares and deal with it...its only a game after all.

And i am sorry to bring up awp again, but i think HH has a legit claim for i have used the awp on other servers and i think that it HAS changed a lot. There is no crosshair any more...its just a huge circle where u have to aim up the middle on ur target and shoot. HOWEVER, it is NOT as easy (well at least i think) as it was before. Before there was already a crosshair to line up on ur opponent...now u have to "find" it urself. It now takes (again at least i think) more time and more "care" in aiming. So i think it has been balanced out some. Just playing devils advocate.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2003, 05:29:35 PM »

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There is no crosshair any more...its just a huge circle where u have to aim up the middle on ur target and shoot.

i have a crosshair...

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2003, 05:34:24 PM »

sorry ayo, you should have a cross hair, if you don't, your CStrike game got nerfed. Sorry man.

My question to the community is, do we think one man can own a whole team of Terrorists with a shield?

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« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2003, 05:39:32 PM »

i'll have a coke then

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« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2003, 05:42:58 PM »

wait wiat wiat....theres a crosshair?? i dont have one... i just have a huge circle....whats with that!??!

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2003, 05:52:11 PM »

u serious, change the sprite, or just delete it and dl fromsever, it will take like .5 seconds aka a half a second

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2003, 07:01:24 PM »

"The shield on the other hand has been banned up until now to protect the server from the exploits, which are now fixed. We must now decided whether to keep the shield banned based on its balance and effect on the game play as of NOW" said by porter

poor shield .....
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« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2003, 07:03:51 PM »

where might i find this?

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2003, 08:43:00 PM »

I liked the idea of enabling it on certain maps like seige and milita and such where t's had a natural advantage. I think that the shield could maybe be enabled on other maps when the score or teams is really lopsided. I'm kinda going out on a limb on that one.

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Re:Ban the Shield?
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2003, 09:13:30 PM »

Quote from: Surgeon General on September 30, 2003, 08:43:00 PM

I think it should be a option

lol make a new poll Ban the Shield? v2.0

« Last Edit: September 30, 2003, 09:15:01 PM by Zeus »

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« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2003, 08:40:46 AM »

Surgeon General's idea is valid but is maybe impractical because it would require an admin to perform the enabling and disabling of the shield and there isn't always one there.

Good idea though.

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« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2003, 12:14:43 PM »

Making it votable is not much of a problem. Neither is selectively enabling it on certain maps to begin with. I think they are very good (and pretty fair) solutions as well.

If everyone thinks this is a fair compromise, I can start writing the plugin to handle it.

The plugin will automatically enable the shield on a pre-determined list of maps.
Voting to override the default for a current map will be possible. (Say it's on by default for assault; then you could vote to turn it off. If it's disabled by default on dust, the vote would be to turn it on.) It could be tricky to get the ratio needed for the vote to succeed "tuned" correctly. I imagine the CTs would always vote to turn it on, and the T's always vote to keep it off. So what percentage of people is needed for a vote to succeed?
High level admins will be able to turn it on and off directly.
I can also include a new command "/shield" to let you know if it's currently enabled or not a lot like "/ff" did.
I will also include csay messages so people understand what's going on.

Can we come up with a list of maps where the CTs have a natural and distinct disadvantage that we think the shield would help balance?

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« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2003, 05:08:08 PM »

Porter, I fully support that compromise, however, I've heard rumors that the shield is still bugged, regardless of what Steam SAYS, have you or anyone else looked into that?

I find that VERY important issue.

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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2003, 08:50:22 PM »

and more importantly, can any one tell me where the hell do get my crosshair back for awp or as a matter of fact, ANY weapon that zooms in (any sniper and even aug and sig) HELP!! HEHE

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« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2003, 09:11:10 PM »

Quote from: Porter on October 01, 2003, 12:14:43 PM

The plugin will automatically enable the shield on a pre-determined list of maps.
Voting to override the default for a current map will be possible. (Say it's on by default for assault; then you could vote to turn it off. If it's disabled by default on dust, the vote would be to turn it on.) It could be tricky to get the ratio needed for the vote to succeed "tuned" correctly. I imagine the CTs would always vote to turn it on, and the T's always vote to keep it off. So what percentage of people is needed for a vote to succeed?
High level admins will be able to turn it on and off directly.
I can also include a new command "/shield" to let you know if it's currently enabled or not a lot like "/ff" did.
I will also include csay messages so people understand what's going on.

Can we come up with a list of maps where the CTs have a natural and distinct disadvantage that we think the shield would help balance?

Sounds good to me

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« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2003, 10:07:10 PM »

Sounds good to me too

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« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2003, 11:57:11 PM »

Good call Porter. This option would be really great and probably pretty original compared to other servers.

Honestly the shield isn't all its cracked up to be in my opinion. Its not that hard to take someone down with the shield. Just time it for when they try to shoot you, knife em or suprise em. Camping them while they run by works well too. The shield makes you run slower and your turning isn't that great. Line of site is messed.

Personally i think the shield is weak unless your just rushing a choke spot willing to die for your team while they rush behind you. All the servers I play on usually only has 1 or 2 people running around with the shield so its not like certain other weapons * awp *where its a whole team camping with it.

Anyways my 2 cents and good call in my opinion.

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« Reply #53 on: October 02, 2003, 08:54:17 AM »

I've reset the poll. The old results as of this post were 9 (ban shield), 15 (enable shield), 1 (don't care), 1 (better idea); for the first (original) 4 options. I've added a new option for the plugin that enables the Shield on maps where the CTs start off with a disadvantage. I need the community's input to help decide which maps fall into this category. Please post your suggestions for which maps to include in the list here.

To clear one more concern up: The shield will stay totally disabled until we are satisfied it has no more programming bugs. Any action CSR takes based on this poll or any other decision regarding the shield (including enabling the plugin we're talking about here) will happen after we're sure it's bug free.

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« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2003, 02:13:35 PM »

cs_assault is one of them

i'm going with Shield should be banned on CSR But porter has a good idea so thats my 2# vote

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« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2003, 05:00:49 PM »

wow i havnt see a group of people that are so afraid of change or something new.

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« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2003, 05:01:53 PM »

The French.

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« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2003, 05:26:53 PM »

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wow i havnt see a group of people that are so afraid of change or something new.

yes..i lose sleep over this issue.

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« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2003, 05:43:47 PM »

Hostage does have a point. You can exaggerate it as much as you want. I resumed cs play the other day. The shield isn't as much as a problem as it was before. Not as many people use it. People are much better vs. the shield then they were when it was first released.

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« Reply #59 on: October 02, 2003, 06:31:26 PM »

wow, what an awesome way to put a negative spin on things HH. I think that's what is great about Porter's Plugin idea. It allows us to be open-minded about the shield, and yet still have control over it if it gets "out of hand". This "compromise" is one of the best ones I've heard people mention on CSR, and with your negativity, you try to smite something you seem to not understand.

I support the plugin IF we've verified that the bugs are successfully fixed,which i still haven't heard of us doing.

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« Reply #60 on: October 02, 2003, 08:20:21 PM »

thats interesting when you go back and read all the postes and follow the chain of events you will then see how retarted your post sounds.
if you go back you would notice that the original reason the shield was banned was beacuse of the glitches.
there is then word (from valve and recon gammer) that the exploits have been fixed. at that time the shield should have been enabled. i know what you would say "but people say the bug is still there" well guess what i would tend to believe the developers of the game and the company that owns the server you play on before i would believe joe nobody.
so any way the shield should have been enabled while all this debate and voting went on. if you all would look at your own poll you would see that most of the votes are to enable the shield.

if you dont like that point how about this.

do you want to be leaders or followers
leaders would try it out for themsellves.
followers would wait and hope the other guy trys it

or you can be draft horses and go through life with blinders on.

i for one would like to be a leader i dont take anyones word for it i want to do it myself i get greater satisfaction and enjoyment out of doing not following.

all i ahve been asking for is that a new game (1.6 is drasticly different from the old cs) be played the way it was intended before you all start hacking it to peices to make it like the old game. give it a chance.

and this is the funniest thing i have ever read
"It allows us to be open-minded ....."

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« Reply #61 on: October 02, 2003, 09:12:02 PM »

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and this is the funniest thing i have ever read
"It allows us to be open-minded ....."

Funniest thing i have ever read:

Quote from: Hostage Humper on October 02, 2003, 08:20:21 PM

thats interesting when you go back and read all the postes and follow the chain of events you will then see how retarted your post sounds.

if you are going to call something retarded..at least spell it right..

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« Reply #62 on: October 02, 2003, 10:27:57 PM »

Thanks for calling me names, I appreciate that.

You're arguing for the shield to be enabled...I'm also saying to enable the shield but make it voteable and/or controlled better, so that we(the admins) can directly impact the way the shield can be used. I think we WILL lead other servers, and in that we will constantly have to be evaluating whether or not the shield is fair or unfair in more situations then normal. I don't understand how you're saying we (the server) has blinders on, when I'm asking/suggesting that shield be enabled?? Sorry mate, that doesn't make sense to me.

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« Reply #63 on: October 02, 2003, 11:48:35 PM »

I think all HH means is that the shield was disabled for obvious issues with it in the first place and now that the shield has been fixed he believes it should be re-enabled.

He also says that some people complain that the shield still is bugged but there has been no proof of this as of yet.

While I may not agree with turning it back on I do see his point in asking why it is still disabled. Its possible the bugs with it were not the only reason it was disabled in the first place maybe thats why and if so maybe someone should say something. Example *shield is unblanced and thus disabled*. Also could be stilll bugged and if so someone post a link or something please

Just trying to clear the air so this doesn't turn ugly. Oh and please correct me HH if I have taken your posts out of context at all.

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Oh and really when it comes right down to it. Whatever is decided I'm sure everyone will adjust and play here still or at least I hope so.

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« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2003, 11:56:08 PM »

Laf, how can you reevaluate the shield if you never play with it?

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« Reply #65 on: October 03, 2003, 09:13:03 AM »

Quote from: ScrappyDoo on October 02, 2003, 11:48:35 PM

He also says that some people complain that the shield still is bugged but there has been no proof of this as of yet.

I have yet to see any conclusive evidence either way, and until someone can PROVE it to me I think I'll err on the side of caution. Look at it this way, right now CSR is basically just delaying our move to 1.6. No AWP, and shield doesn't even exist yet-- sounds like 1.5 to me.

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Example *shield is unblanced and thus disabled*.

See the thing that really amazes me is how strongly people are fighting for the shield and not the shield AND the AWP. Now it could have just been the bugs that made it seem this way, but it appeared that for a while the only way to kill a shield bearer was with the AWP or a knife. I would think people wouldn't want that powerful a weapon around without the AWP to counter it.

But in any case, like I said above: it's disabled until fairly conclusive proof can be presented either way. In (somewhat) related news, hackers already have the source code for HL2.

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« Reply #66 on: October 03, 2003, 11:28:47 AM »

Looks like 1.5 except for steam, netcode, oh and those other new weapons that are allowed. Also, people aren't allowed to argue for the awp.

The galil*, imo, is the best anti-shield gun. The awp kind of sucks against a shield in most situations. Unless the person is open it is useless. If you are trying to awp a shielder most likely you will stand there zoomed in on the person. The shielder is lineing up a hs while running around then switches to pistol and hs you. Ak works well too or a colt.

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« Reply #67 on: October 03, 2003, 11:31:19 AM »

Yeah it all got leaked a lil over a week ago for the source code. Not much that someone like me can do with it though. I know basically nothing about code. If anyone wants it go look around on mirc.

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« Reply #68 on: October 03, 2003, 12:51:22 PM »

Quote from: Porter on October 03, 2003, 09:13:03 AM

In (somewhat) related news, hackers already have the source code for HL2.

noooooo ahhh why do people have to hack

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« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2003, 01:24:20 PM »

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Good answer Porter I think thats all HH was looking for

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I personally never had a issue countering someone with the shield without a AWP but thats just me.

On the other topic of HL2 source it was leaked from someone inside the company from what I understand and only needs to be recompiled to be able to play.

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« Reply #70 on: October 03, 2003, 01:58:25 PM »

The problem is there is nothing to play though. No maps, no textures, no skins, no nothing.

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« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2003, 04:52:30 PM »

So back on topic: map names people?

cs_assault
cs_siege(?)
cs_militia(?)
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« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2003, 05:01:55 PM »

gee tenshi where did i call you names dont try to start something here.

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« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2003, 01:22:58 AM »

Quote from: Hostage Humper on October 02, 2003, 08:20:21 PM

thats interesting when you go back and read all the postes and follow the chain of events you will then see how retarted your post sounds.

to your defense, i mis-read, and thought that you were calling me retarded. either way, not very friendly.

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i kinda think siege is okay for now, but we'll still be able to vote in game right? <<i dunno, for now we might want to just start with those three(keeping siege in there as enabled), once the plugin is up and running we should be able to change which maps we want it to enable/disable shield on right??>>

. o O (I'm also noting those are all cs maps...i'm tempted to say enable it on all cs maps, but i have a feeling that would KILL maps like italy that are pretty even.)

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« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2003, 03:10:43 PM »

wouldnt messing with waht weapons and equipment on certain maps be messing with someone elses work "ie the map designers"

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« Reply #75 on: October 04, 2003, 03:33:42 PM »

maybe, but you could argue that for disabling weapons too. Technically, if we did a "pistols only" vote, that would be the same thing. Think of it like a script in a play, some directors do justice to the playwright, and sometimes, the audience doesn't care either way. As directors, we can only do what we think is best.

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« Reply #76 on: October 04, 2003, 08:57:26 PM »

I 2nd that motion, because the VIP would become too tough to stop, and it would take the whole point out of the map u know... lol

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« Reply #77 on: October 05, 2003, 06:50:58 AM »

The VIP can buy the Shield?????????

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« Reply #78 on: October 05, 2003, 07:06:41 AM »

the vip cannot buy the shield, but if you are holding a shield, and become the vip next round, you have the shield until you either drop it, get killed, or escape. after that no shield.

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« Reply #79 on: October 05, 2003, 10:35:19 AM »

I think the shield should be enabled on all cs_ maps.

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« Reply #80 on: October 05, 2003, 01:51:21 PM »

Oh right, so basically then..... its a bug isnt it?

This should obviously be fixed in the future, if someone tells Valve.

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« Reply #81 on: October 05, 2003, 10:14:41 PM »

Quote from: Justboy on October 05, 2003, 10:35:19 AM

I think the shield should be enabled on all cs_ maps.

That's a good call.

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« Reply #82 on: October 06, 2003, 12:39:33 AM »

okay, first off, i'm saying turn shield ON during as_ maps. Second of all, I like the idea that if you previously have a shield then "spawn" as VIP you keep the shield. It's encouragement to support your team, because a VIP hiding behind a shield is pretty defensive, not to mention the need to balance shields to real guns, etc. I think it would be an interesting balancing factor (since CTs almost ALWAYS get owned in as_ maps).

just my two coppers worth.

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« Reply #83 on: October 06, 2003, 03:30:40 PM »

Thats good enough for me... maybe that way i would acctually whant to be VIP on some of the as maps then

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« Reply #84 on: October 06, 2003, 05:07:50 PM »

you shouldn't WANT too, you should volunteer too... I remember when I was good... lol... always being Vip... good times... lol... wish I could play

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« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2003, 05:09:41 PM »

hmm 10 votes

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« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2003, 07:05:15 PM »

Quote from: -=]H[=-Smokey on October 06, 2003, 05:07:50 PM

you shouldn't WANT too, you should volunteer too... I remember when I was good... lol... always being Vip... good times... lol... wish I could play

... and good as in a couple years ago before i started to dick around lol

am i dumb?? how do you "volunteer" to be the VIP...i know, i know i'm a NEWB!

heheheh, okay, now stop calling me one, and start answering foo!

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« Reply #87 on: October 06, 2003, 07:09:51 PM »

volunteer as in like pushing "m" u know how to switch teams... (c'mon Tenshi u aint no noob lol), and push 3, as in VIP, thats volunteering compared the aspected that you might have been automatically taken as VIP, or autoselected... u dig? lol

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« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2003, 07:45:46 PM »

I still think the shield could prove "interesting" on those maps...I mean think of like 3 shields clustered around one VIP while you have 3 other CTs with some M4's, come on, that's tight.

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« Reply #89 on: October 07, 2003, 02:33:19 PM »

hehe good plan Tenshi - lets try it when we have a chance, (if the vote & subsequent decision allows it)

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« Reply #90 on: October 07, 2003, 04:45:23 PM »

11 votes.......

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« Reply #91 on: October 07, 2003, 05:24:40 PM »

can people who are voting no explain why?? cause personally, why means more to me then quanity. 11 votes means nothing if not one of them can explain to me why they think it shouldn't be activated. Then we really are falling under that "running with blinders" thingy that someone was mentioning earlier.

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« Reply #92 on: October 07, 2003, 06:07:22 PM »

um the 11 is for keeping it enabled

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« Reply #93 on: October 07, 2003, 08:13:27 PM »

oops, my bad, I read it backwards

i thought it was 6 for enabling, 11 for disabling, but whatever...

What would enabling it do with out control?

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« Reply #94 on: October 07, 2003, 09:14:24 PM »

Yes, thank you HH. I would advise you to re-read both the very first post, and the one I posted concerning why the shield continues to be banned on page 5.

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« Reply #95 on: October 08, 2003, 05:03:18 PM »

tenshi you are missing the point there is no need for control and porter you are also missing the point.
FACT the developers of the game and the owners of the server have said its fixed.
porter you want to base everything on hearsay and rumors dont you have the desire to findout for your self dont you have that self pride that most people have?

oh and btw 12 votes

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« Reply #96 on: October 08, 2003, 09:12:45 PM »

You're always going to find something wrong HH. I wouldn't presume to talk about somebody else's self-pride until you try living in their shoes... or maybe running the server/website they run. Keeping this place barely running is a full time job in itself.

At this point we're lucky we still have ANYTHING working. So basically: be patient, or please shut up. I mean that witih as much respect as I can give. You are just going to have to understand that I barely have time to keep things running much less try to meet every little whim you desire.

You (anyone really) still have yet to meet my requirement for re-enabling the shield until the Staff determines how we're going to handle it. You can jabber away all you want until then. I also suggest once again you thoroughly reread the first post of this thread...again.

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« Reply #97 on: October 08, 2003, 09:16:20 PM »

You seem awfully willing to risk the security of a server you don't have to take care of. You might even be willing to do it with your own server. I do not have the luxury of sharing that standpoint with you. I can not afford to risk this server's stability, so until somebody can prove to me the shield is fixed, it stays disabled. End of story.

You want the shield back? Do something besides complain and get me some solid documentation or something.

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« Reply #98 on: October 08, 2003, 09:20:58 PM »

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THATS RIGHT

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« Reply #99 on: October 09, 2003, 11:45:14 AM »

ROFL SERVERS STABILITY. This isn't an er. I think everyone knows the worst of what could happen and the two second fix it would take.

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« Reply #100 on: October 09, 2003, 12:10:41 PM »

Quote from: Nittany on October 09, 2003, 11:45:14 AM

ROFL SERVERS STABILITY. This isn't an er. I think everyone knows the worst of what could happen and the two second fix it would take.

You haven't even defined the problem, so I would be entirely entertained to hear your "two second fix" for it.

When's it's your personal server, you feel free to go ahead and take whatever risks you want, no matter how big or small you feel they may be. As long as I am allowed to continue to care for CSR's server, I intend to do as good (and safe) a job as possible.

Would you perhaps like me to resign my current "position" and let you have a go?

Would you like me to not touch (or fix) another thing for CSR for the next two months maybe? Are you entirely unsatisfied with the quality of my work given both the amount of time I have available and the amount of time I am actually able to use towards CSR?

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« Reply #101 on: October 09, 2003, 12:24:35 PM »

Ok, the worst that can happen is the server crash bug still exists. If it did still exist then you simply ban the shield again. (Most likely would take you less time to do it then the over dramitic replies.) Which could be tested and has been and I haven't noticed any servers crashing. When I said worst case and I think everyone knows what it was, that is called an assumption and I was assuming that everyone knew what it was. Hence, no definition.

BTW, who is complaining about the shield not being enabled?

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« Reply #102 on: October 09, 2003, 12:27:02 PM »

HH for one. [sigh] Does anybody else have anything to say about the options in the poll? I'm gonna close this one pretty quick I think.

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« Reply #103 on: October 09, 2003, 01:23:41 PM »

yes plz do

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« Reply #104 on: October 09, 2003, 04:41:36 PM »

close it 13 votes for enabled. my work here is done.

oh and documrntation from CSR's own home page.

Well, they've finally gotten around to applying the server-side patch that fixes most of the big problems with CS 1.6. Here's the release RG sent out:

This notice is to inform you that your Counter-Strike game server has been updated with the latest Half-Life Dedicated Server update released through Steam. This update fixes the following issues:

- Fix shield drop weapon server crash.
- Fix shield exploit.

Please feel free to email support@recongamer.com with any questions or comments. Thank you for your continued business and support!

Regards,
Recon Gamer Server Operations

Of course this means the topic of whether to keep the shield banned or not should now be open for discussion. Check the Polls and Votes board for more everybody.

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« Reply #105 on: October 09, 2003, 04:45:31 PM »

This is the last time I'm going to tell you to read the first post of this thread. I suggest you do it. Then you can't be disappointed when the Staff announces our actual solution-- whatever it may end up being.

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« Reply #106 on: October 09, 2003, 05:14:22 PM »

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From what I got from that post there Porter, your saying the ADMINS make the decision... now whats the post for if you wont listen to the people? Did I take it wrong? Or is it how this one going to play out?

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« Reply #107 on: October 09, 2003, 05:19:27 PM »

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I need to make something very clear here. This poll is NOT the only deciding factor that will be taken into account. The CSR Staff will use this poll mainly to determine the popular opinion of the server.

i think porter means that while the poll of the community will be a big factor in deciding, such things like bugs and unfairness might be a bigger factor.

also..i think this thread might be of interest of you all:

http://www.csreloaded.com/yabbse/index.php?action=modifykarma;karmaAction=applaud;uid=31

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« Reply #108 on: October 09, 2003, 06:11:17 PM »

oh i see so no matter what the vote says, you are saying that your going to base it on hearsay and rumors not facts. ok i understand now.

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oh i see so no matter what the vote says, you are saying that your going to base it on hearsay and rumors not facts. ok i understand now.

nothing gets by you HH. nothing.

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Quote from: Hostage Humper on October 09, 2003, 06:11:17 PM

oh i see so no matter what the vote says, you are saying that your going to base it on hearsay and rumors not facts. ok i understand now.

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little sarcasm? lol

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Quote from: Deuce on October 09, 2003, 06:13:41 PM

Quote from: Hostage Humper on October 09, 2003, 06:11:17 PM

oh i see so no matter what the vote says, you are saying that your going to base it on hearsay and rumors not facts. ok i understand now.

nothing gets by you HH. nothing.

little sarcasm? lol

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« Reply #112 on: October 09, 2003, 06:28:37 PM »

Quote from: Deuce on October 09, 2003, 06:26:15 PM

Quote from: -=]H[=-Smokey on October 09, 2003, 06:19:02 PM

Quote from: Deuce on October 09, 2003, 06:13:41 PM

Quote from: Hostage Humper on October 09, 2003, 06:11:17 PM

oh i see so no matter what the vote says, you are saying that your going to base it on hearsay and rumors not facts. ok i understand now.

nothing gets by you HH. nothing.

little sarcasm? lol

nothing gets by you smokey. nothing.

Heh, be nice Mr. !! lol, are you just waiting for my post right.... NOW? lol

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« Reply #113 on: October 09, 2003, 10:47:07 PM »

hmmmm

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« Reply #114 on: October 09, 2003, 11:20:02 PM »

Quote from: -=]H[=-Smokey on October 09, 2003, 05:14:22 PM

...now whats the post for if you wont listen to the people? Did I take it wrong? Or is it how this one going to play out?

yes, that's right, the CSR team ISN'T listening to the people, that's why we started this vote after all...wow...

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« Reply #115 on: October 09, 2003, 11:28:53 PM »

Quote from: Guardian_Tenshi on October 09, 2003, 11:20:02 PM

Quote from: -=]H[=-Smokey on October 09, 2003, 05:14:22 PM

...now whats the post for if you wont listen to the people? Did I take it wrong? Or is it how this one going to play out?

yes, that's right, the CSR team ISN'T listening to the people, that's why we started this vote after all...wow...

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Bro yes they ore... What the community thinks is going to be a factor in there decision

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« Reply #116 on: October 10, 2003, 11:38:40 AM »

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My point was that if we didn't want to hear the voice of the people, why do you think we even started this poll..."giggles"?

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« Reply #117 on: October 10, 2003, 05:55:16 PM »

Trogdor The Burninator ! lol

TRRRRRROOOOOOGGGGGGDDDDDDOOOOOOORRRRR!!!!

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« Reply #118 on: October 10, 2003, 07:04:11 PM »

I picked up on it tenshi.

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« Reply #119 on: October 12, 2003, 03:29:39 PM »

we can we have the shield enabled for all day this sunday ?

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« Reply #120 on: October 19, 2003, 10:20:29 AM »

I just thought i would enform you guys that yesterday i was on another server and i saw somone still using the sheild exploit using it well too so dont beleive steam when they said they fixed it cause it sure as heck isn't fixed after i saw this guy in action...just thought i would let you all know.....

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« Reply #121 on: October 19, 2003, 01:01:23 PM »

Remember the exploit in which you could freeze a player with smoke grenades.... remember Grail... 1337-Arrowhawk? LOL

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« Reply #122 on: October 19, 2003, 09:12:56 PM »

aries and i used to do that on siege.... take turns one person sits in vents the other freezes someone in a doorway muahahahahahaha

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« Reply #123 on: October 19, 2003, 09:21:13 PM »

I've locked the voting. The Staff is discussing our alternatives. I'll let you know what we propose as soon as possible.

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« Reply #124 on: October 20, 2003, 05:15:12 PM »

i think the voting says it plain and clear.

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« Reply #125 on: October 20, 2003, 06:52:00 PM »

we want shield

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« Reply #126 on: November 03, 2003, 06:02:27 PM »

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we want shield

Yep

And yeah....the smoke nade bug was super fun

Can we get that back? Can we get a vote for it or something?

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« Reply #127 on: November 03, 2003, 10:08:06 PM »

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we want shield

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« Reply #128 on: November 04, 2003, 08:04:04 PM »

SHUT TEH FACE

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« Reply #129 on: November 05, 2003, 03:38:22 PM »

lets see the vote was for the shield and the admins are still doing what they want and not listening to the comunity. why did they even bother to have a vote if they dont act on it i guess we can never expect to have a say in what goes on here.

as iff we expected anything different......

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« Reply #130 on: November 05, 2003, 04:27:34 PM »

You're confusing "listening" and "doing whatever is requested without a second thought" HH. We can hear you loud and clear-- trust me. But just because you can't see something happening right in front of you doesn't mean there is no action at all.

Where are your manners anyway? And for that matter: your memory? You keep making it easier and easier to justify not giving you a polite response. At this rate, pretty soon I'll be able to ignore you completely and not feel at all put out about it.

Right now I'll just quote myself, since you seem entirely incapable of remembering what I said in the very first post of this thread.

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« Reply #131 on: November 05, 2003, 04:38:47 PM »

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I would advise you to re-read both the very first post, ...

Quote from: Porter on October 08, 2003, 09:12:45 PM

... I also suggest once again you thoroughly reread the first post of this thread...again.

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This is the last time I'm going to tell you to read the first post of this thread. ...

Wow, what with all these hints, your posts start sounding like a pretty dim-witted broken record fairly quickly.

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« Reply #132 on: November 05, 2003, 04:46:33 PM »

oh name calling now . showing the true colors i see.
as i stated before your post that you so proudly

quoted says exactly what i just wrote " ....your not listening to the vote and going to do what ever you want" hello, whos the dimwit now?

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« Reply #133 on: November 05, 2003, 04:58:45 PM »

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oh name calling now . showing the true colors i see.
as i stated before your post that you so proudly

quoted says exactly what i just wrote " ....your not listening to the vote and going to do what ever you want" hello, whos the dimwit now?

except that he did indeed start the poll over and added a new option after taking in opinions about having the shield enabled during certain maps.

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« Reply #134 on: November 05, 2003, 11:34:20 PM »

And the reason that the poll was restarted with the new option has nothing to do with the new option being his idea.

Yup, not pushing any agenda there and no connection at all between... anything.

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« Reply #135 on: November 06, 2003, 12:06:40 AM »

actually that plugin was my idea...but thanks anyway.

not to mention, that for reasons i've already posted several times the idea is that everyone is happy with the plugin, it gives us control to "do whatever we want", and still allow the shield that by the results of this poll, everyone wants. The fact is, there is not ONE reason against the plugin, even if it turns out that we use the shield on every map, the fact that we can turn on and off or otherwise adjust the shield is a very useful and powerful tool.

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« Reply #136 on: November 06, 2003, 07:45:46 AM »

The fact is, the shield is still glitched, you can still shoot and be protected if you glitch it.

More importantly, without the glitch, the shield is

I N V I N C I B L E

Am I really the only person that sees an issue with that?

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« Reply #137 on: November 06, 2003, 07:48:58 AM »

No, which is why the shield is still banned here. As much as HH complained, he (or anyone else for that matter) never met my requirement for re-enabling it completely, and so it stays off for exactly the reasons you're talking about. Hopefully I can at least make someone happy with one of my answers.

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*NEW* Use Porter's plugin idea!

Sue Porter for intellectual theft then.

I'm sure there are people that don't want the shield to ever be disabled so in that, people would oppose the plugin idea.

What more proof do you want Porter? Documented evidence of fixes have been shown to you. Even taken off this very site... Cal has now allowed the use of shield in their league play. Need I continue further?

The truth I can't remember the last time I played on csr. I hadn't even played cs for weeks until I went to eoa with John. I don't like the feel of the game with the shield. It slows down game play and I oppose that. The reason I'm posting about this is because I'd just like for some people to be real. Just level with me for once. I really don't care what happens with the shield. I really don't. Just be honest with everyone about issues and I think everything would be easier.

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« Reply #139 on: November 06, 2003, 12:33:29 PM »

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I thought he just did level with you.

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« Reply #140 on: November 06, 2003, 12:33:48 PM »

As Tenshi said, whether it gets used for every map, no maps at all, or some amount in between, the plugin is being written. The Staff still hasn't decided how or if it will be used though-- and in all honesty, that won't be my decision. And as long as the shield can't be used to cheat, I don't care which way they decide either. All I'm doing is providing a different option to choose from.

Right now I have it about half done. It already compiles, and as soon as I get a 1.6 dedicated server installed locally, I will begin testing the version I have. It currently only has limited functionality programmed into it so far. After I've tested it a bit I'll start adding things on and bring a version here.

But even so, I have too much work to do outside of CSR right now, so as far as I have anything to do with thing around here-- it's on hold right now anyway. I'm only dealing with the most critical of problems.

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« Reply #141 on: November 06, 2003, 01:39:05 PM »

Quote from: Nittany on November 06, 2003, 11:45:48 AM

ok. i will be honest.

i like this shield. i like the concept of the shield. i like the concept of ct teamwork. the shield, when used correctly, can add a great realisim effect to cs.

that being said:

i hate the shield in its current form. i hate how it disrupts gameplay. i hate how its over powered. i hate people who abuse it and whos only purpose to use it to disrupt gameplay.

the shield, like the awp, ruins the fun for me.

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« Reply #142 on: November 06, 2003, 05:31:39 PM »

You should be able to shoot through the viewing hole - which you can't. Plus the shield seems to have an 'aura' around it which is invincible too, and that isnt good...

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« Reply #143 on: November 07, 2003, 12:33:32 AM »

No, no leveling occured in any of the posts which answer the question of the shield.

However, I like it how Porter was like I have a life outside of csr and i'm not going to sit down and do everything you want done on the csr just because you don't. That isn't sarcastic at all. I wanted him to say that a long time ago. It was refreshing.

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« Reply #144 on: November 07, 2003, 05:03:57 PM »

one more time for thoes that dont know

FACT : "This notice is to inform you that your Counter-Strike game server has been updated with the latest Half-Life Dedicated Server update released through Steam. This update fixes the following issues:

- Fix shield drop weapon server crash.
- Fix shield exploit.

Please feel free to email support@recongamer.com with any questions or comments. Thank you for your continued business and support!

Regards,
Recon Gamer Server Operations"

FACT : " a poll was put up and the vote to enable the shield was far more than the other options."
Yes, the Shield should be banned on CSR. 8 (27%)
No, CSR should leave the Shield enabled. 14 (48%)
I don't care. 0 (0%)
I've got a better idea! (Post below.) 0 (0%)
*NEW* Use Porter's plugin idea! 7 (24%)

HEARSAY : " The shield is still glitched"

FACT : " Porter has stated that in reality the poll wont make a difference beacuse the admin team will make any decision they want"

FACT : " the latest update that i got a month ago said that even more glitches were fixed ie. the glitch that alowed you to throw the shield through the wall."

FACT : " The admin team is afraid to even try the shield right now, if you want to find something out just do it dont be a sheep, be a leader a pioneer.

just make a decision either enable the shield or just say it will never be enabled.

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« Reply #145 on: November 07, 2003, 05:22:42 PM »

i will like to try the shield

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« Reply #146 on: November 07, 2003, 08:41:15 PM »

This is where I finally get to pass the blame a bit-- as I've said a couple times now, the decision it not mine. If you want to get on somebody's back about no decision being reached yet, talk to those who are making it. I am not among them.

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« Reply #147 on: November 07, 2003, 09:05:10 PM »

FACT : HH is dead wrong the shield is still glitched

HEARSAY : HH knows what he's talking about

sorry paul, but you should try the shield glitch and see it work or not work before you take valves word on it

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« Reply #148 on: November 07, 2003, 09:17:29 PM »

i believe xfactor posted something about this a few pages ago, and i too have seen people be invincible while shooting. i have yet to see "real" proof that the shield is fix (and dont try that bullcrap about valve saying its fixed..of course they are going to say that.. do you really expect them to say 'uh yeah, about the shield..its currently glitched where you can be invincible and all..but hey..it will be no problem if you just dont use the glitch right?')

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FACT : " The admin team is afraid to even try the shield right now, if you want to find something out just do it dont be a sheep, be a leader a pioneer.

i'm sorry.. but not only does this statement totally ruin your attempt to look smart, it totally reeks of stupidity.

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i'm looking at the list of people classified as "CSR Staff".. and there are only two people. I take it thats what you meant since that is what is stated on the first post.

unless i secretly am a csr staff member, in which then i am one step closer to taking over csr...

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« Reply #149 on: November 07, 2003, 11:03:51 PM »

To the people that want the shield on csr
Do you know that there r other servers that use the shield?
You can go there and see for your self•s that no one uses it and when someone buys it every one &^%$#% at them

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« Reply #150 on: November 08, 2003, 11:36:20 AM »

Quote from: Deuce on November 07, 2003, 09:17:29 PM

Check the FAQ board. There's actually some useful information (if a bit outdated) in there.

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« Reply #151 on: November 08, 2003, 03:05:56 PM »

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The CSR Staff will use this poll mainly to determine the popular opinion of the server.

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« Reply #152 on: November 08, 2003, 04:20:24 PM »

I said ti would be useful, not huge. The outdated part is because I think MM is off that list now. Ryo of course is still pretty busy with his own life in Tokyo.

The problem is mainly that nobody else is really "in charge" of anything around here. I personally think we have a couple mappers who should be Staff members in a "Custom Maps Guru" position. It would be nice if we had somebody to take Heaven's place as an "Event Coordinator," but nobody's filling that role right now, and we have no events. I sorely wish I had somebody that was capable and had the time (and was HIGHLY trustworthy) to handle the bulk of the normal "Server Operations" position so I had more time to do custom plugins and other programming work. I also wish we had somebody that had the time and maturity to really police the forums as kind of a "Head Moderator". A separate "Web PROGRAMMER" who could keep all the custom web scripts around here working smoothly (including PsychoStats, HLStats the actual forum software, and all the custom things Ryo and I wrote) would be nice too.

I'm sure this post might spawn interest in some of these, and I'm more than willing to consider any "applications" without dismissing anybody outright, but the biggest issue right now is still security. As long as I know that nobody can go in and delete everything just because they're pissed off about something I also know we're pretty safe from malicious attacks. That's not something I want to give up easily. Basically, if I had a better way to restrict what certain Staff positions had access to, I'd feel a lot better delegating a lot of these jobs out to new Staff members.

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« Reply #153 on: November 08, 2003, 05:20:55 PM »

I suggest myself for Staff member

note: this is not a joke

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« Reply #154 on: November 08, 2003, 10:55:03 PM »

Nobody is in charge yet you want to give people positions on the server and site...

The things is HH has actaually given evidence that the shield has been fixed. While others have only given him comments with no evidence.

As for Zues I did not know that. Thanks for the info chief.

Talk about 51 cards short of a full deck.

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« Reply #155 on: November 08, 2003, 11:53:18 PM »

What I•m saying is if you what to play with the shield go to another server not THER R MORE SERVERS OUT THERE

When I what to use the awp I go to another server and its not killing me to do so
Stop wasting your time there not putting the shield back any time soon

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« Reply #156 on: November 09, 2003, 08:45:29 AM »

all im trying to do it get some discussion between the admin team and the comunity now i see there is no admin team and no one knows what is going on so i wont even bother n e more.

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« Reply #157 on: November 10, 2003, 12:19:17 PM »

Thanks Zues you truly are

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« Reply #158 on: November 10, 2003, 12:35:01 PM »

Quote from: Hostage Humper on November 07, 2003, 05:03:57 PM

one more time for thoes that dont know
- Fix shield drop weapon server crash.
- Fix shield exploit.
lease feel free to email support@recongamer.com with any questions or comments. Thank you for your continued business and support!

Regards,
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So have you actually emailed support@recongamer.com and verified if there are any other bugs with the shield?? cause I kind of bet that Porter has.

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FACT : " a poll was put up and the vote to enable the shield was far more than the other options."
Yes, the Shield should be banned on CSR. 8 (27%)
No, CSR should leave the Shield enabled. 14 (48%)
I don't care. 0 (0%)
I've got a better idea! (Post below.) 0 (0%)
*NEW* Use Porter's plugin idea! 7 (24%)

glad that's only a partial quote, because the poll was used to find the opinions of the community members, and to field their feelings on enabling the shield. It was not a "vote to enable the shield".

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HEARSAY : " The shield is still glitched"

hearsay is actually something that is heard from a source, and then quoted, I heard that so-and-so heard...in several cases people such as kaoz, x-factor, and other key community members have expressed as primary sources (witness testamony) that the shield is still bugged. So unless you want to go trying to drag their testimony and character through the mud, I'd try a different approach.

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FACT : " Porter has stated that in reality the poll wont make a difference beacuse the admin team will make any decision they want"

And why is this so bad? we've already stated that the community's opinion is important but that other factors are present that we want to take into consideration also.

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FACT : " the latest update that i got a month ago said that even more glitches were fixed ie. the glitch that alowed you to throw the shield through the wall."

that's a pretty minor fix, and still doesn't alter game play that much. It's merely a stability fix.

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FACT : " The admin team is afraid to even try the shield right now, if you want to find something out just do it dont be a sheep, be a leader a pioneer.

FACT: The above fact is not a fact, it is HH's opinion followed by HH's commentary. Members of the admin team (at the least x-factor and I) have went to other servers and have been looking at the shield.

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just make a decision either enable the shield or just say it will never be enabled.

That would be what YOU want us to do, but it isn't realistic. It is impatient. Saying it will never be enabled is putting on those blinders that you keep mentioning we shouldn't do everytime you post. Believe me when I say there's more then you see, it isn't just a simple yes or no like you think.

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« Reply #159 on: November 10, 2003, 02:33:09 PM »

Trying to drag thier character and "testimony" through the mud.

Please be real. We are talking about the a riot shield in counter-strike. Not if Kobe raped somebody. Nobody's character is coming into question, but maybe their intelligence. I think if someone takes evidence from the people that actually fix the bugs and they say, which bugs are fixed then that is actual evidence. Where as someone going the shield is still glitched with no proof, like a demo, is worth nothing. Words without evidence = nothing.

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« Reply #160 on: November 10, 2003, 02:40:47 PM »

Quote from: Nittany on November 10, 2003, 02:33:09 PM

the exact thing could be said the other way. a company is usually not willing to admit its faults, and will try to ignore the problem until they can fix it. sometimes it is up to the people taking demos to actually find the glitch.

i learned this theory is school a few weeks ago..not the demo part of course :p

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« Reply #161 on: November 10, 2003, 02:45:44 PM »

Thanks deuce. If Zues hadn't already gotten the award I would give it to you.

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« Reply #162 on: November 10, 2003, 02:52:56 PM »

Quote from: Nittany on November 10, 2003, 12:19:17 PM

Thanks Zues you truly are

If its so obvious why u &^%$ about it?

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« Reply #163 on: November 10, 2003, 03:31:37 PM »

I'm going to guess that the mystery word is care. I don't really care what happens to the shield. When I play on servers with the shield the cts just buy out on shields and win.

I know I'm being a jerk too. I'm aware of it, but I just get sick of people dramatizing things, avoiding the issue, or just being very useless to the topic.

Deuce the thing is valve admited atleast some of the faults when it updates and says fixed this bug on the shield, and fixed this bug on the shield, and fixed this bug on the shield. Trust me when I say people in the gaming community let valve know when they have made a mistake with plenty of evidence. However, when valve says it is fixed and then someone says KNOME ITS NOT. Then that person better put up some evidence which shows that it still isn't fixed.

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« Reply #164 on: November 10, 2003, 05:00:38 PM »

ok so how will you ever know unless you f u c king try it that is at the heart of my complaints csr is unwilling to even try for themselves they will just sit and wait. and then not tell us what is going on there is no comunication beteween the admins and the rest of us. you want proof that the shield is not glitched i feel i have given the most proof of anyone porter has not given anyproof why it should be banned other than "its too powerfull" i think i heard that about the awp once and look where that got us.

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« Reply #165 on: November 10, 2003, 05:28:10 PM »

bah, i'm saying i have tried. the bug is very easy to reproduce, it makes you nearly invincible. It allows the user to keep the shield "open", and fire shots, while recieving defensives as if the shield were right in front of him. Once the bug is started it remains like that until at least the end of the round. It is not fixed yet.

Further, there is another bug (which seems more random) where a user can get a full 360 degrees of protection from the shield when it is closed. I haven't figured how to duplicate that one, but based on the discussion I had with Porter last night, he's seen this bug too.

Valve saying that "the bug is fixed" or whatever they said doesn't say which one. As far as I'm concerned that's not a "satisfactory fix". But if you think it is...you go have fun.

Of course this isn't to mention the fact that it makes every round take 40 times longer than it needs to, and the fact taht if I see someone's elbow or other appendage I can't necessarily shoot.

So in answer to your question, not every admin at CSR feels the same way you do. Not every admin is "sitting around waiting", we are looking into things, we are trying to make a utilitarian "greatest good for the greatest number of people" type of approach, but nothing has been set in stone yet. Nothing has happened positively or negatively. If we can't complete this arguement here, what makes you think it's going any better in the admin forums or in Porter's head, or in anyone else's head?? I think you're trying to over simplify the situation. You need to realize that other side has valid points, and that there are pros and cons of both.

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« Reply #166 on: November 10, 2003, 06:50:51 PM »

Quote from: Nittany on November 10, 2003, 03:31:37 PM

Deuce the thing is valve admited atleast some of the faults when it updates and says fixed this bug on the shield, and fixed this bug on the shield, and fixed this bug on the shield. Trust me when I say people in the gaming community let valve know when they have made a mistake with plenty of evidence. However, when valve says it is fixed and then someone says KNOME ITS NOT. Then that person better put up some evidence which shows that it still isn't fixed.

i realize that people in the gaming community let valve know when there are mistakes and such.. but the point i'm trying to make is companys might not always admit everything. you only have to look at big businesses like enron to see what i mean.. of course its not on the same scale, but the point is still there. plus, how long did it actually take valve to fix the lastinv bug? slow implentation to fix bugs hurts credibility...just look at blizzard when it comes to diablo 2.

is the shield currently bugged? i dont know...but i tend to think there is something still wrong just from my own experiences. it still doesnt change my opinion about the shield in its current form being unbalanced, and how it disrupts gameplay for everyone. for me, the flaws outweigh the benefits.

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ok so how will you ever know unless you f u c king try it that is at the heart of my complaints

congratulations HH. resulting to swearing in your discussions has brought you down to the peon level. you have lost all credibility to me. then again you barely had any to begin with anyway

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« Reply #167 on: November 10, 2003, 08:09:16 PM »

Apples to oranges Deuce. If it takes Valve a long time to fix the lastiv command it is understandable. A steam would be priority number one over any ingame bugs that steam carries. Because who cares if there is a bug in the game when one can't even play it? Also, valve has something called HL2 that they are behind on as well. However, they will jump right on cs, a game that they have already made all their money off from.

Tenshi it is nice to see that someone tested it out. I know of the bug of which you speak. I have demos of it. I was waiting for someone to actaully say something credible against the shield and you actually did that.

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« Reply #168 on: November 11, 2003, 07:24:55 PM »

i realize that tenshi but wouldnt be better if csr enabled the shield and left it up to the comunity to find out what the issue is then we can findout as a collective rather than a few saying its banned and this is why? i am part of this comunity and have been for alot longer than most of you. i feel we as the players that frequent the server are being leeft out of important decision making . the only thing that has kept the server alive through its many incarnations and the peoplethat were the core elements. i now see that falling away and for my self its become that fact that there seems to be no clear leadership or direction. i could care less about the shield i never use it and can get around it so for me its a non issue. now i have played on many severs and in the past csr has always had a better than average skill level and excellent sportsmanship. now i see that falling away all the old regs are gone and the team work is dissappearing. and the server is not 100% stats dont work and a few other issues. i understand everyone is busy buton the same token if you were running a bussiness and thigs didnt work properly do you honestly think that you would attract a solid core of regular customers? this server has a potential of really making a name for its self and i just hate to see oppertunities missed.

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« Reply #169 on: November 11, 2003, 07:56:00 PM »

well put man

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« Reply #170 on: November 11, 2003, 09:30:37 PM »

Quote from: Hostage Humper on November 11, 2003, 07:24:55 PM

That's hopefully the beauty of the plugin. It'll work, we can set all maps enabled, vice versa if need be, or only certain maps when we think it would be set for. The point behind this thread is so that we can hear people, you do have a voice, this is it.

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« Reply #171 on: November 12, 2003, 01:49:29 AM »

Well put HH.

I wonder if anyone know what name I first played under on csr

And yes it is almost 3 am and I do have class tommorow morning then chem lab.

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« Reply #172 on: November 12, 2003, 04:01:25 PM »

Quote from: Nittany on November 12, 2003, 01:49:29 AM

Well put HH.

I wonder if anyone know what name I first played under on csr

And yes it is almost 3 am and I do have class tommorow morning then chem lab.

did it have something to do with a dbz character?

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« Reply #173 on: November 13, 2003, 12:04:46 AM »

I have no knowledge of dbz. It isn't really named after anything. If you remember i'd be shocked, but it was just a throw out not let's turn this into a guessing game.

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« Reply #174 on: November 13, 2003, 10:32:46 AM »

The whole 'if you want the shield go play somewhere else' thing doesn't really apply to me(and perhaps many others). I will play at CSR even if you stop allowing all guns and only enable knives and nades but I would prefer to have the shield in place because it's fun. I understand why it isn't in place at the moment though. I'm in no rush to see it back but would like to see it - even if just for a wee while or on a votable admin thingy.

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« Reply #175 on: November 16, 2003, 02:33:53 AM »

wasn't it mookie? maybe that was just an alias tho. or redemption, something around there

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« Reply #176 on: November 16, 2003, 09:16:03 AM »

wasn't "redemption" one of Justin's names?

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« Reply #177 on: November 17, 2003, 12:39:44 PM »

Radical

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« Reply #178 on: November 18, 2003, 07:21:37 PM »

just in...

As much as we hate to do it, using a Riot-Shield in an OGL Counter-Strike match will be considered illegal until further notice.

Simply put, there are too many exploits that are related to the riot-shield for it to be considered for use at this time.
When (or if) VALVe decides to fix these problems, we will reconsider allowing the Riot-Shield to be used at that time.

Until further notice, the following rules are effective immediately for ALL CS ladders:

Any player that is caught deploying a shield during a match will risk having earned their team a forfeit loss.

Any player that is caught using a shield exploit will face immediate expulsion from OGL, their team will automatically forfeit the match, and their team will earn a two week suspension.

The above rule might sound a little harsh, so let this be fair warning.. Do not deploy your Riot-Shield.
Failure to know this new rule is not an exception.

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« Reply #179 on: November 19, 2003, 02:36:02 PM »

Let's listen to what ogl has to say. The greatest league on earth...

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« Reply #180 on: November 19, 2003, 04:30:29 PM »

i still think listening to the developers and owners of the server is still the proper action to take.

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« Reply #181 on: November 20, 2003, 09:11:34 PM »

Quote from: Hostage Humper on November 19, 2003, 04:30:29 PM

i still think listening to the developers and owners of the server is still the proper action to take.

I bet you would trust Microsoft's word too-- wonderful developers of software that they are. Point being they are all humans, and can't be guaranteed to write perfect software... or tell the truth about its functionality.

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« Reply #182 on: November 20, 2003, 11:18:32 PM »

correction kyle, greatest Ladder on earth, their name is a lie :-p

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #183 on: November 21, 2003, 08:07:03 AM »

Quote from: Porter on November 20, 2003, 09:11:34 PM

Speaking of which; the article Slighty posted is of relevance :

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031117081729166

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #184 on: November 21, 2003, 10:50:47 AM »

biuld your own O.S. then make the game developers, applications developers,Hardware industry use yours

or use windows and keep your antivirus updated and dont download supicious software

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #185 on: November 21, 2003, 11:45:44 AM »

Yes, and because microsoft lies that means all software companies do. Great logic.

Sorry for going by the name they use themselves John.

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #186 on: November 21, 2003, 11:57:00 AM »

you're forgiven

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #187 on: November 21, 2003, 12:29:19 PM »

I played again last night. I must say the shield is still bugged.

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #188 on: November 23, 2003, 09:38:53 AM »

Quote from: Nittany on November 21, 2003, 11:45:44 AM

Yes, and because microsoft lies that means all software companies do. Great logic.

Again you entirely miss my point. I'm saying companies can lie. I could have just as easily replaced my statement with one about Enron. I chose Microsoft because they happened to be a software developer notorious for having their own private agenda. I wasn't even making the statement that all companies lie (which how it sounds like you interpretted it). If you read it again, you'll hopefully see tyhat I was only introducing the possibility that what a company might be telling you is not for their customer's best interest, it's to protect their bottom line. It's business we're talking about; not software companies, not software, not games, not Half-Life: plain old great American-style business.

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« Reply #189 on: November 23, 2003, 11:52:03 AM »

* KaoZ goes and looks up "Private Agenda" with the paperclip in MS Word, goes back to "bah"ing and eats grass.

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #190 on: November 23, 2003, 07:13:22 PM »

My point was to show the apples to oranges comparison that was made. Companies don't lie people do.

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #191 on: November 23, 2003, 10:29:15 PM »

yeah, but only people represent companies.

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #192 on: November 24, 2003, 02:50:56 AM »

Exactly.

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #193 on: November 24, 2003, 10:19:40 AM »

out of curiosity..if the shield is still bugged..why is this still an issue? if something is bugged..you dont allow it.

i like to call that common sense.

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #194 on: November 25, 2003, 02:12:14 AM »

Well, why don't we not play half the maps because they are bugged too.

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #195 on: November 25, 2003, 09:02:01 AM »

which map gives you invinciblility?

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #196 on: November 25, 2003, 09:15:04 AM »

Any map where you are playing 1v1 against Deuce. You might not have official invincibility but you certainly won't die. Zing

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #197 on: November 25, 2003, 04:15:27 PM »

duece first off ill throw it back at you prove that its bugged..........

oh yea you cant.

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #198 on: November 25, 2003, 04:21:19 PM »

It would be tons harder to prove conclusively that it's not. Even if nothing strange happens with it for months and months, it still could be bugged. That's what we in the business call "intermittent failure". Darn near impossible to track or replicate.

I'm inclined to think that's it's still safer to keep it disabled until we have a good way to control it. Because then even if the shield IS still buggy, we can re-enable the shield. The reasoning is that at least if somebody comes along and starts to exploit it, our admins will have a way to disable it. Hmm, when its put that way the plugin sounds like a good idea, doesn't it?

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Re:Ban the Shield? *NEW*
« Reply #199 on: November 25, 2003, 04:24:21 PM »

Quote from: Hostage Humper on November 25, 2003, 04:15:27 PM

duece first off ill throw it back at you prove that its bugged..........

oh yea you cant.

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I know of the bug of which you speak. I have demos of it.

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I played again last night. I must say the shield is still bugged.

i guess first hand experience means nothing to you.

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