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Terraji
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Wireless Network Gaming
« on: May 13, 2004, 12:04:40 PM »
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I am a couple of days away from shelling out for a wireless network so I can get highspeed internet on my Linux computer. I am worried that the wireless link will hurt my ping for gaming and possibly my bandwidth in the case that I set up a CS server on my linux box.
I have two possible setup arrangements:
Computer A (Windows XP, gaming rig) physically plugged into the wireless router and Computer B (linux, game server) over a wireless link.
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Computer B physically plugged in physically and Computer A over the wireless link.
I know that bandwidth really isn't an issue since the data rate of the wireless card far exceeds the performance of my cable internet connection unless there is a strong impedment of the signal. (In my setup, line of sight goes through two walls and one floor/ceiling and only travels a distance of 25-30 feet) I'm wondering mostly if the ping will be affected significantly since there is an extra modulation/demodulation that has to be done with the signal.
If any of you have experience with wireless networks and could give me a little advice on this, it would be quite appreciated.
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2004, 12:21:45 PM »
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my house has a wireless network, and i can go anywhere in my house with my laptop and still get an awesome connection. about 2 months ago my brother bought Final Fantasy XI for his PS2..and i loved the game so much that i bought it myself for computer so i could play with him. The PS2 is located in the basement of our house, and i often bring my laptop down there so we can communicate better while playing. The signal must go through a couple walls, and i notice no problems what so ever. I also use DSL, and usually there are 3 other computers on the internet while the laptop and PS2 are on.
I would think that Final Fantasy XI is more of a strain for bandwidth then CS is, but i dont really understand all that nonsense anyway. My experience though is that i havent seen any problems while playing. Just make sure you get a good wireless router..i use a linksys router and its awesome:
thats just my experience and it might differ from others..hope it helps though 
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2004, 12:23:07 PM »
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i use wireless G on my gaming PC and have no problems... the game server is never going to be feeding you that much data so even with wireless B you shouldn't see any slow down..
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2004, 12:30:22 PM »
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Linksys is the devil. Tenshi just had a linksys router go crazy on him. Buy netgear and nothing else, ever. You will be happy, trust me. NetGear is powering SlightOfCode.com and iCabbit.com. Their routing equipment is top of the line.
As for performance, you're never going to see a difference, even for gaming. I would comment that wireless PCI cards are hit or miss in terms of support under linux, so given the choice, I'd put the Windows machine on the WiFi link to preempt the possible lack of linux wireless drivers.
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2004, 12:58:07 PM »
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At Futureshop, the Netgear routers seem to be in the low end of the price ranges. I always worry about buying low end stuff. I was looking at a few higher end ones at my favorite computer shop that were quite a bit more but are probably overkill for what I need them to do. I am on a tight budget so the Netgear ones look tempting.
Thanks for the advice guys.
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2004, 01:10:28 PM »
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That's really unusual that the prices are like that. The common perception (that I'm aware of) is that NetGear has much higher quality products than most other companies. If they're cheaper, so much the better! In fact, buy an MR814 and send it me, okay?
http://netgear.com/products/routers/websafefirewall.php?view=hm
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2004, 01:14:02 PM »
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I have the exact wireless set-up you•re talking about and the pic you showed, a G model. I have 2 lap tops and two desk tops and can even go outside and have had nothing but an excellent signal. Not until I get up to the third floor way up front do I get a little bit of signal strength drop, a little. As a matter fact I am also receiving 4 other neighbors signals from there wireless systems, two at a good signal! Make sure to make the signal secure when you set-up. It amazes me how many people do not do this; I messed with my neighbor for two days because of this. He had his printer on the wireless set-up also, I was sending print outs on his printer saying •I am watching you!• Later when I saw him in his driveway I told him I was getting weird printouts from my printer, man did he get excited. "Me too, freaking me out!" He was having a guy come out to the house the next day, we laughed when I told him it was me! Which I followed up with I came into some MONEY I found and was going on vacation. Quickly I asked •How you•re savings accounts doing!• 
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2004, 01:17:43 PM »
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you could also check with whichever card maker you are going to buy from to see if they have linux drivers.. thats the sort of thing they would have on their website i am sure.
I don't think netgear supports linux
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2004, 01:31:36 PM »
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dont listen to porter..linksys is good 
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2004, 01:37:19 PM »
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actually..i should mention too that i had a netgear router that fried on me...was only a year old too.
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2004, 01:48:34 PM »
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My linksys is holding up fine.
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2004, 01:52:08 PM »
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Of course, individual testimonials aren't accurate by any means. I am reading a really great book right now that talks about the spread of bad reccomendations of products. It gives an example of cars, and how there is way more bad testimonials going around for top selling cars like Honda Civics and Chevy Cavaliers. It is mainly because there are more of those cars floating around, therefore, more failures that occur to hear about. It is more likely for someone to hear about two isolated bad incidents involving that particular car, and then that person becomes a candidate to spread the bad news to his friends and the amount of bad word out there is amplified many times over. Pretty soon the whole world thinks that car is a piece of crap, when statistically they have the lowest failure rates.
Listening for good testimonials from people is much more accurate than the bad ones. As far as the Netgear router, if it is the cheapest around, and it satisfies Porter's needs, then it is probably good enough for me.
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2004, 01:58:52 PM »
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No card that I have looked at has made specific reference to linux in the manual or datasheet. All the routers do though. Odd.
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Not odd at all. It's still a baby market. Hardware manufacturers haven't realized people use linux yet. The vast majority of drivers available for PCI wifi cards have been reversed engineered.
It's actually more important to consider the chipset driving the card instead of the card itself. The Prism I (1) chipsets have very good linux support, whereas others have none (such as the ACX100 chipset-- avoid this one like the plague!).
The only difference I can detect is the speed-- the WRG is 'G' whereas the MR is 'B'. (G is faster, funning at 54Mbps instead of 11). If you can get a rebate with it, it's definitely an excellent find! Like I said, send me one!
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2004, 03:12:35 PM »
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The G's datasheet also lists it as having a SPI and a NAT firewall instead of just a NAT. In addition, it has a bunch more compatability features listed as a bunch of jibberish to me, but I'm sold. I wish they didn't make it so you have to mail away for those rebates, since I need my money now instead of in 6-8 weeks.
It's actually more important to consider the chipset driving the card instead of the card itself. The Prism I (1) chipsets have very good linux support, whereas others have none (such as the ACX100 chipset-- avoid this one like the plague!).
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good one! I'd hate to throw 100 bucks at a shortsighted and ignorant company!
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2004, 07:21:28 PM »
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I don't know much but what i do know is this. I had the same wireless router that deuce had. And it was fine when i was just on it(hardwired). But when my mom and dad and i were on it it lagged a bit. And then when i lanned with kids and had 2 or 3 computers running cs we got cl_flushentity packets all the time. Not really know what it was and being still pretty much a noob at cs and computers it's self. I bought a netgear router. It's what i've used since then and is much better. Of course the problem could of been fixed easily if there wern't 3 computers running cs on the same server using cl_cmdrate 101 and updaterate 101 it woudln't of been a problem. Of couse i was stupid back then (still stupid now  ). I would just go with having them both on a hardwire router, just because i know that that works even if there are multiple computers on cs at the same time. But running a server. Idk man, seems like you wouldn't have enought bandwith.
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2004, 08:18:49 AM »
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It's actually more important to consider the chipset driving the card instead of the card itself. The Prism I (1) chipsets have very good linux support, whereas others have none (such as the ACX100 chipset-- avoid this one like the plague!).
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good one! I'd hate to throw 100 bucks at a shortsighted and ignorant company!
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Heh, the only reason I know this is because I got fried by it myself. My d***ed D-Link PCI card has the ACX chip in it, which makes it effectively unusable under linux. 
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2004, 11:58:25 AM »
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would that be the D-Link DWL-520 card?
I can get one of those for $25 and I found an install walkthrough for the AX100 chipset for a 2.6 kernel on gentoo.org (my dist)
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=122584&highlight=acx100
I am still really new to all this Linux configuration stuff. (it took me a week to get XFree86 stable with my video card) that guide looks pretty straightforward, but it still could give me problems.
Cid you get a card with any other chipset working under Linux, and if so, how difficult was it?
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2004, 12:24:56 PM »
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would that be the D-Link DWL-520 card?
I can get one of those for $25 and I found an install walkthrough for the AX100 chipset for a 2.6 kernel on gentoo.org (my dist) |
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Indeed it is. That card is awful (for linux, works fine in Windows, ironically). Plus, I would strongly advise against buying it even IF you found a driver for your particular distro. If you ever feel like switching to BSD or something else, you will have shot yourself in the foot. Prism 1 cards are old now, and should be going for pretty cheap. There are other chipsets that work (probably), but I didn't have the money to buy ANOTHER wifi card after the dwl520 failed to fulfill my needs, so I just gave up. We've exhausted my knowledge on this subject.
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2004, 06:34:08 PM »
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I ordered the Netgear MR814 router and MA311 PCI card. The two of them together only cost $153 canadian minus $30 US mail in rebate. I decided on them from the reccomendations on this thread and on the gentoo.org forums, there were glowing reccomendations for that particular card since it is detectable on boot by the kernel.
I could have gotten a bargain-basement D-Link setup for $60, but I decided it was better to get some quality gear that might have some good logitivity rather than a shoddy chipset that is poorly supported.
Once again, thanks for all your help Porter and the rest of you!
Only 2-7 more business days till I get my present.......... heehee!
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Re:Wireless Network Gaming
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2004, 08:53:37 PM »
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Yay! Is it weird that I'm excited FOR you??  
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2004, 11:04:32 PM »
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The true sign of a geek is getting excited over the mention computer hardware. That is okay since, last I checked, geeks make more money than those guys hanging out in garages all the time.
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2004, 09:06:03 AM »
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Funny thing is the guys that hang out in garages are having to become computer geeks to keep up with today's cars.
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« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2004, 09:19:28 AM »
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IBM was started in a garage
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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2004, 10:31:46 AM »
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So was Apple.
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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2004, 04:55:30 AM »
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So was Accidental Suicide Death Ratio. My first band and only band.
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2004, 11:57:02 AM »
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I remember going over to biggums house and solving the problem. Rates didn't matter, it was whack. What I did, since he had the netgear, one wan connection, and his parents needed wireless, was take the netgear as the router for the wan to lan connection. This made it so kids could hardwire in his room and not get flush. Then I just hooked up the wireless (linksys) router to the netgear router, making the linksys a wireless switch. It worked, i'm not sure if they have cable runs now though.
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