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Guardian_Tenshi
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no green glow??
« on: October 23, 2003, 07:02:54 PM »
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porter why can't I see the green flame around my name when I normally post using firebird, but I can in IE?? is there something I can install to get that to show up?? what am I missing??
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2003, 08:09:39 PM »
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i actually found the answer to this..took me awhile but i did figure out what you are missing:
a good browser.
yuk yuk yuk 
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2003, 09:36:05 AM »
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Ya know, I never noticed that before. My guess is that the little snippet of JS or PHP that creates the 'glow' effect uses code that is specific to IE. Could be anything really. The 'glow' effect is not standard HTML, and I don't believe that it's standard JavaScript either, so your guess is as good as mine.
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2003, 02:15:19 PM »
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Yeah, it's non-standard... something. Not PHP, that much is for sure. I would guess proprietary javascript that only works on IE. I don't see the glow in Safari either. Mozilla (firebird) and Safari are two of the most compliant standards-based browsers out there right now. So my guess would be to thanks Microsoft for once again going off and doing there own thing instead of what the rest of the world has agreed on.
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2003, 03:56:02 PM »
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yeah cause microsoft programmed YABB SECOND EDITION boards to work exclusively on I.E.
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2003, 06:19:56 PM »
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Actually it would be the exact opposite Kaoz-- YaBB programmers added a "glow" function that probably only works with a Microsoft version of Javascript.
Well... here's the actual source code YaBB generates. Looks like CSS actually.
<table style="border 0px;">
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<td style="filter:Glow(color=green, strength=2);">Tenshi</td>
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Yup... a Microsoft "extension" of CSS:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/filter/reference/filters/glow.asp
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2003, 11:25:48 AM »
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so is there a way I can install like some other form of Java for firebird to show/display said glow? or am I up a creek without a paddle at this point? I'm half tempted to just start rewriting code (heheh, maybe that could be my first REAL programming thing for porter).
Tenshi, without the glow this time 
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2003, 12:43:20 PM »
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Porter, Ummm..... I hate to point this out but, at the bottom of CSR it says that this site is W3C standards compliant for xhtml and CCS. The 'glow' CCS attribute that M$ introduced in IE 5.5 is proprietary and is not W3C compliant.
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2003, 12:45:45 PM »
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i could have sworn i already told you guys i found what the problem is and how to fix it.. 
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2003, 01:11:30 PM »
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Keep talkin M$ boy.......keep talkin.
Check your system for spyware lately?
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2003, 02:33:45 PM »
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yeah, i kind of hope that some poor sap is watching me from the FBI, an has to watch every stupid click I make  Okay, I think it would be funny.
Tenshi, still not glowing.
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2003, 06:11:40 PM »
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Yeah, it's not compliant-- it's not even compliant without the modifications we made to match the rest of CSR's "theme". I don't know why the put that there either. Maybe I should take it out, eh?
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2003, 12:20:30 AM »
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[confused]
Porter, Ummm..... I hate to point this out but, at the bottom of CSR it says that this site is W3C standards compliant for xhtml and CCS. The 'glow' CCS attribute that M$ introduced in IE 5.5 is proprietary and is not W3C compliant.
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And by the way, I was assuming that I was missing one of those things, since I don' t know what any of those mean...if I'm running Firebird, and/or can get it to install on my laptop, that means I SHOULD have all of those installed right?
Tenshi the glowless.
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2003, 08:15:46 AM »
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Those aren't things to install really-- they are web standards that all online content developers are supposed to follow. It's like metric vs. ASE for example, except you really are supposed to use metric for everything you do. Those standards like "XHTML 1.0" and "HTML Transitional 4.01" and "CSS1" are all big dictionaries of exactly which tags are part of HTML, and by exclusions, which ones aren't.
The point in promoting them is to create an internet where everybody is literally speaking the same language in the code of their webpages, instead of having tons of "dialects" that were each created by a company that creates a given browser (Like Netscape for example-- for the longest time, Navigator supported it's own subset of HTML and did things no other browsers did) or an HTML editing tool like MS Frontpage-- which will write HTML for you using Microsoft's "concept" of what HTML should be instead of the standard. (<-- That's one sentence!)
The reason this is important is two-fold-- for developers, building a website that works on IE and Netscape (because they essentially use different "languages") is tough-- you have to make a copy of each page and modify them both to work on each targeted browser. As you can imagine, that's a lot of crap to maintain as well. Second, for the common user that only uses Netscape, if you try visiting a page that was "designed of IE" it won't render correctly, and sometimes not at all. Try http://www.purebedlam.org/ with a couple different browsers, for example. That site is coded with SUCH proprietary code that it doesn't even show up in some browsers. That's what we call a Bad Thing(TM).
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2004, 01:28:03 AM »
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Did I ever ask if it was possible to "recode" this glow and make a glow effect a standard HTML thingy?? or is that impossible?? Sorry, I know this was a long time ago...but come on Porter! you're just pulling all these other aces out right now, i figure you can fix this one too.
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2004, 08:11:49 AM »
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Hah, i never looked at this thread again, but the sarcasm in my post directed towards the microsoft haters was
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2004, 04:44:20 PM »
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I don't think you understand dude, i'm not glowing...it hurts. I'm just curious if there is anything we can do about it, or if we are fubar-ed.
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Re:no green glow??
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2004, 08:26:17 PM »
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Did I ever ask if it was possible to "recode" this glow and make a glow effect a standard HTML thingy?? or is that impossible?? Sorry, I know this was a long time ago...but come on Porter! you're just pulling all these other aces out right now, i figure you can fix this one too.
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Not impossible at all, but definitely more work than it's worth. For one, I don't think there is any CSS rule that gives this kind of effect to every browser out there. Second, even if there was, to "recode it" means digging through the guts of yabbse to find where that tag is generated.
The other possibility is to have PHP generate a dynamic image, but that's VERY slow, and shouldn't be over used. Plus I'd still have to hack yabbse.
In summary: Short answer = not impossible, long answer = not likely.
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