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Druz
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Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« on: June 17, 2004, 05:16:33 PM »
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PLEASE unban the now FIXED awp and please ban the out of control AUTO sniper.
Both guns speak for themselves :/
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2004, 05:17:22 PM »
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here we go again
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2004, 05:18:21 PM »
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Again? Which brings me to my first point.. what do you see in the awp that you don't in the auto sniper?
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2004, 05:24:17 PM »
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I like it, just that the last posts on this subjected ended up in arguments and the thread being locked. Thats all.
If i had a choice i would want awp, but meh.... Public poll.
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2004, 05:55:01 PM »
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heres the awp situation as i see it:
despite the fact that this server is called CSR, this server is an extension of the Wumpa server. Payed for by the Wumpas, and maintained by the Wumpas. As a result, if they do not want AWP, then there is no AWP.
End result: dont bother wasting your time getting AWP..it isnt going to happen 
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2004, 05:58:29 PM »
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What happens if i send money for the server. Then do we put on a awp?
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2004, 06:05:33 PM »
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You're beating an incredibly dead horse. I know you aren't up on the history of CSR and the AWP. Just go read these first. Please, I don't mean to be rude, but I'm really not going to bother responding until you've caught up. These are in reverse chronological order (roughly):
http://www.csreloaded.com/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=1323
http://www.csreloaded.com/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=1115
http://www.csreloaded.com/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=259
http://www.csreloaded.com/yabbse/index.php?board=16;action=display;threadid=1073
http://www.csreloaded.com/yabbse/index.php?board=16;action=display;threadid=819
http://www.csreloaded.com/yabbse/index.php?board=16;action=display;threadid=631
http://www.csreloaded.com/yabbse/index.php?board=16;action=display;threadid=461
http://www.csreloaded.com/yabbse/index.php?board=16;action=display;threadid=475
...and these are just the ones I found with a quick pass over the boards! A thorough search would turn up another dozen or so threads that go onto this topic. It has seriously been beaten to death around here, and I don't think you're going to be the one to change it. Sorry. 
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2004, 10:40:24 PM »
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All I can say is too bad I wasn't there for any thread, despite the fact that they pay for the server doesn't make up for their horrible arguements.
The auto sniper is worse, anyone who says you can retaliate to an auto sniper is lieing, the shots are right after another unless they miss, period, if you DO manage to kill them you have at most 30 hp.
The awp was "fixed" to allow NO quick switching so no one person can take out an entire team right after another, they have to wait for the bolt action to finish which is a BIG change, for those of you living under a rock, the competetive playerbase exploded with grief.
Anyone who compares the auto sniper to a m4 or a AK because they can kill in 2 shots is a freaking MORON, if you take offense to this make sure you keep reading for some edumacation. The AK 1 shots only in the HEAD and you need skill to get a 1 shot kill every time. The UNsilenced colt takes 2 shots to the head, and the silenced takes 3, I've played in the server for a week or 2 now and all I can say is there aren't many people who can purposly headshot you.
Meanwhile the auto sniper is 2 shots no matter where you shoot, and the ever enjoyable bug where the first shot is accurate NO MATTER WHAT.. in the air.. running, whatever.
If I offended you, maybe its time to stop living under a rock with false arguements that no one calls you on becuase they are afraid to get banned 
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2004, 10:43:53 PM »
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Talk about missing the point...
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2004, 12:28:16 AM »
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one of the greatest things porter ever said many light years ago was that, The settings that are on this server are what make this server what it is. If you dont like the way this servers settings are, dont bother with it because there are many other servers out there that will have a banned auto snipper and unbanned awp, but the point is this server is the way it is because if it was like every other server we'd be just another server, but no, we are the InFAMOUs, CSR... yea sorry for the corney-ness... but basically thats what was said... cept Porter made it sound better of course, but im hoping u will get it... although i have my doubts.....
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2004, 01:05:06 AM »
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Awp used to be allowed back in the day. Then people got owned sideways and people would stack teams. Then it got banned. Manily because few could actually use it effectively and those few could destroy the other team with it. Much like a few can do that now with rifles.
This skill gap, which has been the cause of most problems on csr, caused many of the people getting owned to stack teams because they didn't want to be owned. This pissed of many honorable regs that would rather type kill in console then stack teams.
A huge debate flared up. Almost all at the bottom of the skill gap wanted it banned. A sizeable group wanted it to stay. Then it came down to you could vote the awp on every map change. This was nice because it gave the majority of people thier wish on a case by case basis.
Then people still complained and whined about it. Basing their arguements on that it is unrealistic (and cs is) and that it unbalances teams (haven't had a problem with this since awp has been banned). These two arguements could easily be made for many guns, especially the auto sniper. Also, it is plain to see banning the awp didn't solve those issues.
Then that server, eh, died... yeah died and many people that you see today in these forums played on the other csr and sr. Now the new csr is funded, controlled, administired by the wumpas. It has an entirely different feel to it.
Many people that were terrible at awping, can auto snipe (who can't?). So hence the auto sniper not getting much public out cry against this. Also, if you notice, most skilled players WILL NOT autosnipe unless it is to kill autosnipers, and even then they won't really use it. Most find it so unskilled that using it is kind of dishonorable unless your team is getting beaten badly or to punish someone whoring it.
So basically, there used to be an awp within this "community" (has changed quite a bit) but that was a long time ago. Unless you're going to engineer some hostile take over, it is the way it will be. I just wanted to show the TRUE history and show how rediculous aguements against the awp were/are especially when those same people support the autosniper. If you go through the threads you'll see what i'm talking about even though my posts of the true history usually get deleted with some admin saying the awp was never allowed. As if they were writing text books about US interment camps.
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2004, 01:40:03 AM »
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Thanks for the reply nittany, I know it won't get changed but the best answer they can give me without BSing it is because they don't want the awp, period. Then some try to justify their short comings with BS excuses and arguements that are easily swat away by sheer facts.
It's just sad that the people that "run" this place would rather just block it off completly instead of learning how to use it and learning how to deal with an awper. It's a good thing none of them don't participate in any leagues 
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2004, 02:38:58 AM »
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| I know it won't get changed but the best answer they can give me without BSing it is because they don't want the awp, period. |
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i don't see where you are confused on this one.. they dont want the awp, thus there is no awp. you seem to be missing the point.
im sure Grounded knows the answer to this, but i believe Bootcamp (the custom map server that playtested cs_reloaded_b4 for us) also doesnt allow awp or shield. i never saw anyone complain there either
and now for my uneducated view on this: back when i played diablo 2, i made characters for the purpose of PvP play. The reason I stopped playing D2 was because of Blizzards lack of caring to fix over powered weapons, more specificlly a crossbow made for amazons (an archer class). It came to the point where every single PvP character was the same design and setup using this weapon (soon nicknamed the noob cannon), and all skill was taking out of PvP. Along with all the fun I had with it.
This same situation applies to me for the AWP. I never liked how you stood next to no chance against an AWPer. It ruined the fun for me. Go ahead and call that a BS excuse. I'll just call you a dumbass in return.
I also do remember having a vote for AWP back in the review days. though i doubt porter makes it his priority to delete any remarks of this in posts...
But that is not the main point. I play on CSR not because there is no AWP (if that was the case I would go play on Bootcamp..at least they play custom maps...), I play here because of the community and the uniqueness of it. I like playing with my fellow guardian clanmates (except for justboy, who i despise), and i like playing with the wumpas because of their teamwork. Stuff like that is why people play here..not because of the AWP being banned. Stay long enough here and hopefully you will realize this as well.
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1) i question as to why you say "run" as if they dont...
2) you still are missing the whole point.
3) dont worry about the league thing..the wumpas suck anyway
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2004, 03:14:01 AM »
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I wouldn't call it a BS excuse Deuce. It is exactly the reason it is truly banned and you said it perfectly. You get owned sideways by the awp.
No, Porter isn't the one who deleted the posts.
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2004, 03:54:57 AM »
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As far as I know the only reason the auto-sniper hasn't been banned yet is that it hasn't been fully discussed in the admin forum. I'm certain it has cropped up a few times but it never led to anything. Personally I would ban it too (I mean no one used to use it anyway before it was 'updated') although I don't think it's quite as unbalancing an influence as the awp.
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2004, 04:20:32 AM »
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I'm not missing the whole point, you said exactly what I thought you'd say. They don't want the awp.. period.. ok.. and then you give me an excuse.. aka you think it takes the skill away from the game..
Now apply that to an updated over powered auto sniper and it would fit. Now try to apply that to the new, slower awp. YOU OBVIOUSLY haven't played against the new awp but the second you die from it you'd start whining again.
When I don't give you the chance to shoot back with my AK because 1 shot in the face is all it takes, you can'tuse the noob cannon excuse, only the aimbotting walling hacker excuse... plenty of people do.. and they are the same people that would whine about the awp.
*edit* And it's also pretty disturbing when an arguement is made, dead horse or not... and is replied to like I owned you over and over again with an awp, you should keep your flash backs to yourself.
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2004, 04:55:45 AM »
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such nasty hostility..
you obviously cant tell the difference between an excuse and a reason. i fail to see what right you have to say that my reason for not liking the awp is an excuse for getting rid of it.
and no, you still are missing the point.
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2004, 05:00:27 AM »
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aka you think it takes the skill away from the game..
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No one said that.
The problem with public servers is the broad skill range. In clan play, the awp is fine since the game is competitive and the sole objective is to win. Unbalancing doesn't matter. In public play however, the entire point is to have fun. In the past we've found that the awp and the shield both adversely affect the game hence their absence. If you like the awp that's fine (99.9% of other servers allow it) but please don't make a big deal out of the fact that we, the people running the server, don't want it in our game.
Now if you'll excuse me I need to start a thread in the admin forum about the auto sniper...
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2004, 07:57:09 AM »
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I'd like to point out that I don't do any "running" of anything (especially lately!), and neither does yurei. Heck, he isn't even registered in the forums! And me? I only do what people tell me. You will never hear me refer to myself as anything other than a gopher or a janitor. I take orders, and get things done (even if I don't like it: i.e. voting plugin). I don't make decisions.
That's not to say I don't have an opinion on the AWP, but that's already been made clear countless times. My opinion (or yurei's opinion for that matter) doesn't carry any more weight than anyone else's. At the same time, it's important to remember that yurei is happy paying for the server for one reason-- it gives him a place to play CS where he can really enjoy himself. Now obviously CSR is going to evolve and change, but if you were to turn it into every other CS server out there, I don't think yurei would be so happy about paying $85 a month for something he could be getting for free in 10,000 other places on the internet. (OT Note: you should all think about how much fun you've had here in the past 15 months or so, and then think about the fact that yu^rei paid $1,275 for you to do it.  )
Anyway, that's the real point here-- whether you enjoy it's uniqueness or not, CSR is unique, and I don't think anybody wants it to become "just another CS server." Not having the AWP is a big part of that.
The auto-snipers... well, I'll be the first to admit they are annoying at times, but they are overcome-able and not nearly as pound-the-desk-and-tear-the-ethernet-out-of-the-wall frustrating as the AWP.
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2004, 08:38:54 AM »
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All I know is, I love the AWP.
That being said, I find it fairly refreshing to play on CSR without the awp, as it seems like everyone has a little more chance. I know I can go into a random pub, buy an awp, and the server empties by the next map, that's no fun. At least colting/AKing there isn't the same mental detriment that comes with a death from an awp.
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2004, 09:58:11 AM »
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| In clan play, the awp is fine since the game is competitive and the sole objective is to win. Unbalancing doesn't matter. |
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If they don't care about unbalancing, why did they ban unbalanced maps from league play? Why did they ban the unbalanced shield from league play?
If the awp is so dominant, and it can wipe out an entire team, I suggest you all learn how to manuver better. It is quite easy to trick your enemy where you are going to move to next. There are also key spots that awpers like to sit at, if you learn them, then you know what to expect. I really don't care if you unban the awp or not. Just get your facts straight before you make accusations against the weapon.
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2004, 12:23:40 PM »
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| Most find it so unskilled that using it is kind of dishonorable unless your team is getting beaten badly or to punish someone whoring it. |
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2004, 01:31:13 PM »
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The only time I'll pick up an auto-snipe is when I pry it from my victims cold dead fingers. 
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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2004, 01:49:02 PM »
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The only time I'll pick up an auto-snipe is when I pry it from my victims cold dead fingers.
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True that. When they updated the awp, the also killed the scout. Without being able to quickswitch and get another shot off, its really quite easy to dodge 2 shots and knife the awper in the face. Auto snipers are a skill-less gun that if you manage to hit a guy twice out of 20-30 shots you get a kill. But then again I don't really care which guns I can and can't use. I'll go play with a friend somewhere else if I really want to whore an awp on aztec. Since I rarely do that, I play here. I just rambled for a good while.
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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2004, 02:44:42 PM »
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personally i like the way CSR works because generally the teams are balanced well and more often than not whoever is getting all the kills on one team will move to the other to try and balance things out.
Nobody likes getting totally owned its just not fun.
I dont get to play as much as most and because i only took up cs a few months ago I'm not as good as most people that play here. But I always have fun whenever i do play.
The thing thats good about CSR is not that the awp is disabled but that generally there are very balanced teams imho - and thats all due to you guys 
So you could say that bringing the awp back wouldn't matter because people would still make the effort to balance things out. But as has already been said - that just won't happen!! And to be honest I'm glad because there are times when the awp will dominate games and for me that takes all the fun away. When that happens you have 3 choices, play as you always do and try to beat them - which is hard as I've already said I'm not that good! Or play them at their own game and AWP back - when this happens the games just get drawn out. Finally, when things get to be too boring I might just choose to leave 
Basically as has been said most people are here to have fun by playing people from a community that they may have known for a while now. Its all about fun because CSR is just that little bit different to other servers. If you really want AWP servers I've heard there are one or two about - if you want I can probably find some for you!
Well done on making CSR an enjoyable server guys!!
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2004, 03:14:17 PM »
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| In clan play, the awp is fine since the game is competitive and the sole objective is to win. Unbalancing doesn't matter. |
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If they don't care about unbalancing, why did they ban unbalanced maps from league play? Why did they ban the unbalanced shield from league play?
If the awp is so dominant, and it can wipe out an entire team, I suggest you all learn how to manuver better. It is quite easy to trick your enemy where you are going to move to next. There are also key spots that awpers like to sit at, if you learn them, then you know what to expect. I really don't care if you unban the awp or not. Just get your facts straight before you make accusations against the weapon.
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Accusations? Everyone seems to be taking this a little too personally. When I said unbalancing I was referring to the skill curve. Of course they're going to want balanced maps (as much as possible) in league play but the point in a clan war is that, except from the skill of the players, it's a level playing field. If one player for one clan tops the scoreboard with 51 awp kills, no one has any right to complain since they entered into a competition knowing the setup and agreeing to abide by it.
In a public sever, things are a lot less controlled. You have a wide variety of players with a wide variety of different experience levels. There will be casual players who probably won't ever get any better, there are still new people picking up CS for the first time despite it's age. CSR is geared towards catering for the whole spectrum. Of course there will always be compromises in doing so and the awp is one of them in our case. Remember, CSR didn't get rid of the awp out of the blue, it was a decision based on what was happening in the server over a period of time.
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2004, 03:50:57 PM »
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I can still see the awp being/staying banned its not THAT big of a deal if you simple say it that way "If one player for one clan tops the scoreboard with 51 awp kills, no one has any right to complain since they entered into a competition knowing the setup and agreeing to abide by it."
I can see that being pretty lame seeing how you guys do pay attention to the rankings, but also the auto sniper NEEDS to be banned if you want that statement to be completly true.
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2004, 06:04:29 PM »
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you really dont get it, most of us have been playing on this server and the previous generations for me thats going onto 5 years now. se what you fail to understand (let me turn it up for you) IS THAT AS I KNOW IT THE SERVER HAS ALWAYS BEEN A NON AWP SERVER WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FIRST YEAR AND WHEN 1.6 CAME OUT AND ADMIN MOD WAS NOT FUNCTIONING SO THERE WAS NO WAY TO SHUT IT DOWN. THE POINT THAT YOU ARE MISSING IS THAT THE AWP REMAINED BANNED BEACUSE THE SKILL LEVEL OF THE REGULARS AT THE TIME IMPROVED NOT BEACUSE OF GETTING BETTER BUT BEACUSE OF TEAMWORK, AND THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS SERVER WHAT IT IS, THATS WHY IT REMAINS BANNED TO THIS DATE. NOT TO SAY THAT THE AUTO'S WONT EVER BE BANNED, WE WILL HAVE TO SEE, AND IF YOUR AROUND THEN YOU WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THIER FUTURE. so to sum things up........
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2004, 06:22:07 PM »
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2004, 06:25:33 PM »
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2004, 07:09:06 PM »
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Ok humper you're just verifying everything Nittany has said.
In specific I mean, since the clans do actually fight for spots on the clan "rank" ladder it would be awefully easy to get alot of points when using the awp which is why I understand the reason for it's banning. Even if that isn't the reason it's enough for me.
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2004, 07:36:04 PM »
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I wonder how long until this post gets locked 
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2004, 07:52:10 PM »
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Ok humper you're just verifying everything Nittany has said.
In specific I mean, since the clans do actually fight for spots on the clan "rank" ladder it would be awefully easy to get alot of points when using the awp which is why I understand the reason for it's banning. Even if that isn't the reason it's enough for me.
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besides the fact that you are still missing the whole point, you are even close on the rank system.
first off, have you tried typing /rank in game? go ahead and try sometime, you'll find that it doesnt work.
second, if i remember right, the current point bonus for AWP is an amazingly high ZERO. So no, it isnt awfully easy to get alot points with the awp.
to sum it up, you are expecting this server to be a league server. this is not a league server, this is a server for people to have fun on. and that includes having AWP banned to increase the fun for others. don't even pretend to know why its banned, because you obviously arent the one running the server nnd making the decisions to do so.
and i am requesting this thread be locked, as the admins are discussing the topic of auto snipers now.
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Re:Unban awp, ban auto sniper
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2004, 08:17:01 PM »
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consider it done. and now that its lock, it doesn't mean its okay to start a duplicate thread, as it will be deleted.
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