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CONDITION ZERO
« on: December 25, 2003, 06:01:15 PM »
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hey, does anyone know if couterstrike condition zero came out ? cuz while i was doing my hourly ebay search i found coutnerstrike condition zero for sale it was at like 50 bux, and i thought that hasnt even came out yet.. does anyone know? and has anyone heard what decade they plan on releasing half-life2?
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Re:CONDITION ZERO
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2003, 11:57:58 AM »
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PC gamer even reviewed the game, though for a review it didn't mention anything that makes the game different than CS, except the bots and missions. Gave it about 70% I believe.
I haven't been to any stores in about 2 weeks because only an idiot shops during the holiday season, but now that Christmas is passed, unless it comes out in the next week to take advantage of gift money, there's no urgency for it to ship.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2004, 09:18:16 AM »
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Latest news update is that it will be released march 2004, but i think it went gold a while ago, thats why pcgamer was able to review it. they must be having mega-problems with there publisher.
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Re:CONDITION ZERO
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2004, 09:48:20 AM »
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If I was them I may hold off releasing CZ until HL2 is out in people's hands. I think more people would be willing to buy CZ after the experience of HL2, rather than the other way around...and if gamers have to choose between the two, they'd rather sell HL2.
The support they're showing CS through steam right now doesn't encourage me in the least. Here they have the theoretical greatest distribution/updating system and they don't fix anything they break. If they were blizzard they'd have adjusted the shield and autosniper ages ago, instead of making them unworkable.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2004, 10:14:59 AM »
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If they were blizzard they'd have adjusted the shield and autosniper ages ago, instead of making them unworkable.
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I disagree. This situation is very, very similar to a recent situation with bilzzard.
About a year ago, Miscreant and I were heavily into Diablo II. The Diablo II community was promised a mini-expantion/game rebalance in the form of patch 1.10. The game in version 1.09 was still very flawed and bugged but people were still playing it in hopes of it being fixed in the update. The patch was promised to be originally released in march 2002 and blizzard kept stringing everyone along for ages reiterating 'just another couple weeks' every couple of weeks.
The patch was finally realeased about two months ago. It was clear that blizzard cared more about realeasing The Frozen Throne and World of Warcraft than this much needed updated for an old game.
Bottom line: For game companies, a project's priority is only as high as its money-making potential.
In the case of CS:CZ i'd say the potential isnt all that high. Certainly not as high as Half-Life 2
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2004, 11:46:16 AM »
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| The support they're showing CS through steam right now doesn't encourage me in the least. Here they have the theoretical greatest distribution/updating system and they don't fix anything they break. |
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There is a very important distinction to make here. Valve has one of the best ideas for a distribtuion/updating sytem. The problem is they can't implement it. Every new Steam update causes hundred of thousands (if not millions) of players (and server operators) to try to connect to one of 36 (only 36!) servers worldwide to download the patch. The ratio is obscene, and the unintentional result is a distributed denial of service attack on Valve's content servers each and every time they release an update. This is not what I would call a "good system".
Good idea? Yes. Good implementation? Resoundingly NO.
Half-Life 2's distribution via Steam will FAIL, and it will fail monumentally if a new overarching system design isn't thought of soon.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2004, 04:57:11 PM »
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The problem with steam, as porter said, is lack of implementation. Scary enough, given the amount of info they are dealing with, I am not quite sure that there is anything currently available to remedy their current limitation. I don't doubt that the current number of CS players is in the hunderds of thousands, with a high percentage playing frequently. Just doing the math you would need an amazing amount of bandwidth and computing power to do what they intend to do. Their current set up just can't handle the workload.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2004, 12:08:39 PM »
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I'm confused I see these posts about all the problmes with Steam and yet since I started (10/03) I haven't had a single problem, with either downloading the updates or the other crazy stuff that you guys have run into. Have I just been lucky?
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2004, 12:31:13 PM »
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Yes. Very.
if you have any doubts, check out the Steampowered.com forums for tons of great horror stories. That's assuming of course that the site is online at the time.
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2004, 02:28:33 PM »
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Back to the topic I wanted to share with the CSR comunity what it was my impression when I looked into the last leaked version of Condition Zero:
Firt of all you install CZ like another game for Steam like another mod.
From condition zero website:
Counter-Strike: Condition Zero introduces new game technologies including highly-detailed locations; atmospheric enhancements, such as snow and rain; and more dynamic special effects -- taking the #1 online action game into new territory. Also, play your favorite classic CS maps, now visually upgraded.
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they added rain to aztec and some new textures , now maps look better but the same layout
from condition zero website:
Condition Zero contains never-before-seen elements to the game series, such as the official CS bot, which allows for both offline and online multiplayer simulations. In addition, CS:CZ includes an arsenal of advanced weaponry and equipment, including upgraded firepower, bulletproof riot shields, and more.
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bulletproof shield thats it and nothing more
CS bot ? cs has bots from years now
Maps:
The same de_dust map with new textures now is called "de_dust_cz"
edit: the pic is taken from CZ official site but identical to the alfa version , i didnt wanted to post a real pic from a stolen software in the csr forums, oh and netiher csr nor the people here support the distribution of any kind of illegal software ....oh and ...btw....stay in school 
This is very bad , they made a Halflife Mod from a comunity mod and still wanted to sell it ......hmm 
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2004, 02:57:47 PM »
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ah. i should fill in some information about maps..especially if thats what the dust in CZ looks like.
that same dust is in the the xbox version of Counter Strike. Almost all the maps in the PC were redone for the xbox version (except for a few of the newest ones like torn, havana, airstrip...for some odd reason they did a whole new texture update for aztec)
in fact..everything you just mentioned sounds like it is the same as the xbox version..if that is the case..we're in for some bad times
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Re:CONDITION ZERO
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2004, 04:44:22 PM »
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The real shame is that with Steam, you can't NOT update. You're either running their latest version, or nothing. With CS1.5 and earlier, if you really WANTED to have a CS 1.3 server, you could set one up, and have everybody go download and install 1.3. With CZ you won't have a choice (except not buying it to begin with, but who knows what will happen to support for CS1.6+ then.)
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2004, 06:24:29 PM »
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and and if you notice there are already CZ servers running on steam
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2004, 09:48:37 PM »
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i think the old dust looks better...that pic makes it look worse to me....
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2004, 11:41:22 PM »
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Yes, the appear to be identical to the xbox versions. The xbox versions looked nicer but lacked the authentic cs experience, didn't feel like I was playing computer cs. Other than that I got no beef with them.
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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2004, 09:08:11 AM »
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Uhm...maybee I just haven't been playing enough to know, but isn't there a riot sheild in 1.6? CZ doesn't sound too special to me
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Why bad times? Xbox version doesn't seem that bad. I mean, nothing about it is spectacular, but what's so bad about it?
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2004, 09:25:04 AM »
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exactly what you just said. nothing about it is spectacular. the game is boring. the bots get boring. the only good thing about the xbox version is a couple of new maps (some of which i would like to see in the PC version) and some of the crappy looking maps got redone (to be honest..the PC version of dust makes no sense..at least the xbox version looks like its suppose to be something)
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2004, 10:37:32 AM »
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Yes, he PC version of dust makes no sense and the layout in shogun is the epitome of logical.
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2004, 11:11:12 AM »
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Yes, he PC version of dust makes no sense and the layout in shogun is the epitome of logical.
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if you have been following the thread at all, you would realize that i'm talking about the textures for map (seeing how we've been talking about the picture neo posted). the PC version of dust looks pointless. the xbox version actually looks like it has an arab design to it (much more focus on the arab look rather then the desert.)
i dont care if you do your sarcastic flaming posts kyle..at least know what you are flaming about first.
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2004, 07:56:18 PM »
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I have been following the thread. I don't see how anything I posted would make it seem that I haven't been following it.
I was unaware dust looking like dust wouldn't make sense either. I can see from the ss that the new version looks Arabic. I just didn't know the had a culture that painted there walkways with pretty colors. Thanks for pointing it out though.
I wish the best of luck to you tonight. As i'm sure you will be finding the best way to reply back.
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2004, 08:33:23 PM »
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What noone has said though and I'm most curious about is...DID THEY ADD ANY OTHER WEAPONS TO CS?
There was all this talk about LAWs, a machette, tear gas and gas masks, and a couple other firearms...but noone's said boo...did they toss all that content?
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2004, 09:26:52 PM »
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We're talking about how a map looks. You make a sarcastic post about the layout of a map, then again contribute the fact that you dont like custom maps.
Sometimes I don't realize how much of an ass I can be.
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This would be one of those cases.
I'm having trouble trying to figure out what you are trying to gain from these kind of posts, but i really dont care right now. do what you wish.
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2004, 10:38:46 AM »
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What noone has said though and I'm most curious about is...DID THEY ADD ANY OTHER WEAPONS TO CS?
There was all this talk about LAWs, a machette, tear gas and gas masks, and a couple other firearms...but noone's said boo...did they toss all that content?
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well there were a couple of new items is the Ritual version of CZ but there were only for single player missions like digital camera , radio, video camera and a tourch
but so far doesnt seem like there will be any new weapon on CS online in the short future
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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2004, 01:29:16 PM »
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I like custom maps. Problem with them is most people don't take time to consider the game play of the maps. Hence, the are not fun to play or one sided. They also empty the server. This can happen with "non-custom maps" too.
I'm not being even close to an ass. If you felt the need to try to flame me after my post then it is your problem not mine. Although you may not find satire humerous or appreciate it, i'm sure some people read that and chuckled. It certainly was a valid comment.
I don't hope to gain anything. Nor am I trying to lose anything. I am just being myself nothing more nothing less. Something that is lacking behind false kindness and petty grudges that dominates some others.
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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2004, 02:35:42 PM »
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heh..petty grudges. this doesnt even come close to a grudge..you would know if it was a grudge believe me.
i just wanted to know what your reasoning is for writing some of the posts you do, especially when they dont have anything to do with the subject in hand. that is all.
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2004, 03:01:47 PM »
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No, no grudge between you and I. I was talking more in general terms then any specifics. But I would know if this was a grudge? ROFL, why would my karma go more negative?
Anyways, I'm sorry I strayed too far from topic for you're liking. Maps were being mentioned I posted about maps. O M G.
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2004, 08:31:55 PM »
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all i can say is lol. I don't see anything wrong with nittany's post. It also makes complete sense. I just think that deuce should stop trying to insult nittany caus i know you both in real life and he will pwnzor any comeback u come up with so stop wasting your time thinking of comebacks and go play chinpokemon
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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2004, 08:38:41 PM »
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wow. can the nose get up any higher?
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2004, 10:57:56 PM »
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I feel the need to censor that South Park reference, but that was a killer episode.
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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2004, 11:09:07 PM »
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I don't know deuce you tell me.
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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2004, 03:20:25 AM »
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They[custom maps] also empty the server. This can happen with "non-custom maps" too.
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Umm....can you explain your logic there please Nittany?
BTW, I'll point this one to deuce after this comment...
...some of the crappy looking maps got redone (to be honest..the PC version of dust makes no sense..at least the xbox version looks like its suppose to be something)
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did they change the layout of de_dust, or just textures?? And what does the have to do with the map making sense...It was supposed to be a desert chemical storage area that the terrors are trying to bomb wasn't it?? That's what the green crates were supposed to be, i thought....if you looked at the mission briefing you'd catch that...here is what it says:
Counter-Terrorists: Prevent Terrorists
from bombing chemical weapon crates.
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that threaten targeted areas.
Terrorists: The Terrorist carrying the
C4 must destroy one of the chemical
weapon stashes.
Other Notes: There are 2 chemical
weapon stashes in the mission.
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As for Nittany ripping on cs_shogun, I always thought of that as the hosties as tourists...I think shogun is fun, so leave it alone man! 
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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2004, 12:06:40 PM »
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Custom maps on the server as well as non-custom maps can empty the server. Since you asked i'll explain. A custom map comes up most people say this map is bad and leave the server because they have no desire to play it. Or a non-custom map comes up and most people say this map is bad and leave the server because they have no desire to play it.
I was safe gaurding against the response of someone in the forums saying "it isn't just custom maps that can empty the server." I can't back up nor am I sure that custom maps empty the server at a much higher rate then other maps. I get the feeling based on my time when I play in the server. Since I haven't played since mid January I'm not postive if this trend continues now.
As for ripping on shogun I wasn't. I was saying that if the layout of dust is bad then how can you support shogun. It is a really cool map, but the layout isn't good for gameplay that I consider logical.
Please, I don't get where I was being mean to Deuce. If you read through the posts you will see Deuce had been waiting for the chance to say something to me about my posts. He choose to do this in this thread publicly. This is clearly show by him saying that "I don't care if you do your sarcastic flaming posts kyle" meaning more then one as in not only the dust shogun comparison post. Simply because I back up my statements and opinions doesn't mean that I'm fighting with anyone.
On the other hand people have treated HH poorly, but nobody seemed to care. I see much hippocracy there.
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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2004, 01:57:03 PM »
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BTW, I'll point this one to deuce after this comment...
...some of the crappy looking maps got redone (to be honest..the PC version of dust makes no sense..at least the xbox version looks like its suppose to be something)
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did they change the layout of de_dust, or just textures?? And what does the have to do with the map making sense...It was supposed to be a desert chemical storage area that the terrors are trying to bomb wasn't it?? That's what the green crates were supposed to be, i thought....if you looked at the mission briefing you'd catch that...here is what it says:
Counter-Terrorists: Prevent Terrorists
from bombing chemical weapon crates.
Team members must defuse any bombs
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Terrorists: The Terrorist carrying the
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gah..i'll explain this one more time. the textures of dust in the PC version compared to the xbox version make no sense. the problem with the textures is that it doesnt resemble anything that would warrant a "counter-terrorist" team coming in to a bomb. the xbox version textures make de_dust (and de_dust2) more arabic, and gives it sort of a saddam palace type place.
yeah..and about the fighting thing..we arent fighting or being mean tenshi..more like "debating"
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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2004, 03:57:50 PM »
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I still think you're both just "out to get each other" and frankly i think you should both just knock it off. I don't know what's between you two, and frankly, don't care...
I understand the shogun doesn't play like 90% of the maps out there, frankly, that's what I like about it. No offense, but there are alot of regular maps that I don't find logical...frankly, I'm stupid, and don't get de_aztec or as_tundra. On the other hand, I love as_oilrig, cs_office, and cs_shogun, they just make sense to me. Biggums likes to call me a "noob" for that, because he only likes de_maps, because they give the fairest chances and what not, but about every map he likes, I hate; and every map I like, he hates. It isn't a problem, just a difference in opinion. To go further, I don't think that THIS servers maps make all THAT much of a difference as much as time of day does. Anytime after dinner and there are people on until about 1 or 2am (central)... at least, from what I've seen.
As for deuce and his dust comments, I haven't seen the dust from Xbox, but from the screen shot posted in the beginning of this thread, it looks brighter, and flashier, which to me looks childish. I see what you're saying about how a group of CTs know about and/or care about a group of Terrors trying to bomb this "chemical weapons" storage facility and all too...though leave it to the "media" to paint the "arabs" as the enemy. <<sigh>> I'll leave that one there I think.
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« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2004, 12:44:52 PM »
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SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO apparently/allegidly/reportedly.. Condition Zero came out today... this morning at 1: something am.. so reports steampowerd.com ... has anyone who pre-ordered it tried it out yet? im gonna need some massive full detail reports....
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2004, 01:26:03 AM »
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Have there been ANY new weapons besides what was in the 1.6 patch?
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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2004, 11:11:56 AM »
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no... the game is ok... the bots are kind of lame and whats even more lame is you have to sit through a round when you die and watch bots finish the round... its bad enough when you have to sit around and watch real people finish let alone AI. The maps look cool.. i wont say better or worse.. just different, i was wondering if you can play the cz maps on a regular server or if it needs to be a cz server? some of those maps would be cool to have in rotation.. not only are the textures different but they layouts have changed slightly.. nothing major, but a good example is lack of the APC in office, or a tree in inferno.
Single player CS is ok, but I have yet to see play it online though. for 30 bucks I think I will get my money out of it.
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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2004, 12:50:54 PM »
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I'm not sure how it will do. From what i've observed and the way i feel, cs gamers don't like much change, like the shield, or jumping style, or other little thing. They just don't like change. And Cz is to much like cs but not different enough for people. I'm not sure till i play it, but i don't think i'm gona like it.
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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2004, 03:48:31 PM »
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Hmm...have the rebalanced the autosniper? How about the shield?
Jumping...remember bunny-hopping? Man I'm glad they fixed that.
I would like to find a rationale to buy it, but if it's just adding Podbots and mission objectives to single-player...I already have Fusion pack.
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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2004, 11:30:48 PM »
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True.
But bunnyhopping was leet, and very fun because on dust people would just be like wtf?
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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2004, 11:35:37 PM »
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Taking away bunny hopping wasn't cool. It slowed down the game so much and made it much less skilled.
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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2004, 08:20:32 AM »
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what would happen if we played a cz map on csr? you would think they would make them compatible... but I bet valve made it so you have to have CZ to play the CZ maps
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« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2004, 08:33:50 AM »
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i tried looking for a downloadable version of the maps..but no luck. they must be doing a good job making the new maps unaccessable
which is a shame, because i'd like to see how all the new maps play out
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« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2004, 01:26:22 PM »
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I wish they could find a way to take away bunny hopping, but find a way so that when u jumped and landed u still stayed the same speed, and didn't slow down a tun.
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« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2004, 10:15:17 PM »
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Decided to buy Condition Zero over a lot of other better rated games because, well...I want to use the shield against bots. But imagine my surprise that the game comes with a CD full of HL2 movies.
Whoever said before to check these things out, OMG, you ain't kidding! I am shaking with the desire to play this thing after watching these movies, I'm at wit's end.
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« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2004, 01:09:14 AM »
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Decided to buy Condition Zero over a lot of other better rated games because, well...I want to use the shield against bots. But imagine my surprise that the game comes with a CD full of HL2 movies.
Whoever said before to check these things out, OMG, you ain't kidding! I am shaking with the desire to play this thing after watching these movies, I'm at wit's end.
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how much did you buy it for?
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« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2004, 01:31:15 PM »
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Hmmph...I thought I posted. STUPID ME!!!!!
All week I've been seeing it go for $20 at gogamer.com...but for some inexplicable reason I broke down and bought it at EB for twice that! I'm never _that_ stupid. 
Finished about half the game in one night. As a lark I'm also playing the deleted scenes game, which as mentioned in some reviews, is really old-school shooter, would have been good back when SOF1 first came out, but now it's just ugly. I also haven't noticed any drastic changes to the game, though I do like the bots...this is some quality AI and pathing here.
At $20 I'd recommend the game as props to Valve for all these years of CSing goodness. At $40 I wish I'd bought Silent Storm or Far Cry instead.
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« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2004, 03:21:38 PM »
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I myself got Condition Zero yesterday. I will say some of the missions are pretty tough. And as for online play i personally dont like some off the maps they put on or changed..I hate the new militia they screwed that map over again.
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« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2004, 08:38:56 AM »
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i like them just because they are different from what I am used to... Militia is almost like a whole new map
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« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2004, 10:29:20 AM »
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One thing I have to comment on...the bots are really polished, and not only will let you know what's going on and where they are, but will call out the enemy and their location...if only you could use voice communication instead of radio commands, I'd be in love.
I think the hardest thing about the game so far is being able to rescue all the hostages before your teammates kill all the Ts.
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« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2004, 01:09:25 PM »
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ribs... change your team to have noobs on it with crappy guns instead of guys with colts and you can rescue hosties easier.. or take a smaller team in general... I don't think you have to fill up your team slots do you?>
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« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2004, 10:25:17 PM »
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So cz is good or bad?
let's get a vote in the polls section plz
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