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« on: November 12, 2003, 08:01:25 PM »
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••••••••••••Overall Tactics and Tips
•••This is the first in a series (I hope?) of articles I will write detailing tactics and strategy. My original intention was to write something different for each map, but I realized that to grasp the complexities of •running• a map, I would be doing the community an injustice by not laying down a foundation for everyone to start off of. So, in this article I will outline some tactics that can be used with the 5 most important guns in Counter-Strike: the AK-47, M4 (which I will refer to as a •Colt• for this guide), MP5, USP, and Desert Eagle (which will be •Deagle• in this guide). I will also explain some overall tactics when playing and configuration settings to maximize your gameplay.
USP: By FAR the most versatile pistol in the game, this baby can lay waste to people across the map on Aztec, or rip apart rushing terrorists on Prodigy. A quite underestimated gun by many, I would say this is the quintessential pistol to learn to use. At distance, slow, controlled 1 shot at a time firing is recommended, I find this gun is very •hit or miss•, you will either blow your targets head off or miss them entirely. I would recommend that you try not to get in a long distance shooting situation, and instead wait for your opponent to come to you, but when necessary, this gun will serve you well.At anything from mid range (mid range being the distance between DD on Aztec to the edge of the wall on the right if you are going towards CT bridge room) to short range, this gun rapes as a spray machine, you can fire about as fast as you want, and as long as you control the spray (which will be covered later on). The key to this gun is not getting frantic, it has 12 bullets to spend very quickly, and they will disappear if you close your eyes and scream. Headshots are key at this range, as 1-2 will usually result in a kill.
Deagle: My personal favorite pistol, I would say the most cost effective buy in the game,
almost nothing can stop a Deagle in the hands of an expert (except a colt, ak, or awp in the hands of an expert  ) There is no difference in how to handle this gun at any range, just always treat this gun like it has 1 bullet, make every shot count. This gun will also reward quick reflexes and precise aim. Buy this gun with 21 rounds when you cannot afford a rifle.
MP5: Loved by some, hated by some. Personally, I do not use this gun any more, because I think a Deagle is superior on 2nd round (the only time anyone should ever buy an MP5 anyway.) because if anyone buys armor, a Deagle will have less damage taken away than an MP5, which loses a lot of power when against someone with Kevlar. The great part about the MP5, is it•s potency when moving, you can circle strafe someone to death without losing accuracy. The spray on the MP5 is venomously consistent and is predictable enough to rely on.
Colt: By FAR the best gun in the game, a beautiful balance of accuracy and power, I would say this is the most important gun to master. At long range use small bursts, up close go ahead and spray, this gun will wipe out hordes if sprayed correctly. The silencer is a very touchy subject, some people, like Nittany will tell you that it is great for spraying with, and is overall superior to the unsilenced colt. Others will tell you the silencer is garbage and only hurts your efficiency. I am somewhere in the middle, if I am going to engage the enemy at close range, I use the silencer, the spray is more predictable and up close the gun seems to perform better. I also use it when I am trying to exploit portions of the map for stealth. The unsilenced colt is far superior at long range, making it the choice of anyone playing long DD on Aztec, or rushing the house on Militia.
AK-47: My favorite rifle, the AK-47 is the hardest gun to truly master, and a lot of people will try and tell you they are gods with it and know the •secret• to it. I•d say that•s a load their feeding you. There is no one •secret• to the AK-47. Learning about spray patterns and different methods of bursting is essential to making this gun become an extension of your body. At long range, the single shot accuracy of this gun is lethal, with 1 shot headshot kills only an AWP can match it for precision lethality.
Now that each gun I deem important is covered, here are some methods of shooting I employ and recommend.
3 Shot Burst: this type of burst I very well known, and I refuse to be redundant and try and explain something this simple to a group of people who regularly use it. But I will say, the key to making this shot work, is adjusting for the recoil as you do it. To do this, pull the mouse towards you (unless inverted) as you shoot, to compensate for the gun kicking upwards. Putting 3 shots in a 10 inch square is quite a lethal way of getting rid of your target.
Spray: This is something I would say is a stronger point of mine. The trick to spraying is compensating for the recoil in your gun, as the bullets creep upwards, pull your mouse down. To visual this, think about aiming with the top bar in your aiming reticle.
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As you hold down the trigger longer, drag it further down your target. One thing you can be sure of, is if the bullets are going way left or right of the line, they will go for 7-8 bullets at a time, then switch sides (generally, CS is a very random game and some things don•t work all the time). With different guns, the amount you have to pull down will vary, with the MP5, very little compensation is necessary, but with an AK, you have to compensate a lot.
•••Clicking-Death: This is something I figured out on my own, but the name was coined by a member of Swedish CS team, Schroet Kommando (ahl if you care). This technique employs using the AK or Colt like a pistol, you tap the fire button quickly, shooting one bullet at a time. This method of bursting is great at long range when you•ve done one or two 3 shot bursts and your recoil is already bad. This is best with an AK, and is something I do quite a bit, and is an effective way of downing an opponent while he pauses between bursts, or sprays like a monkey with bladder problems at long range.
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Equipment, Configurations, and Stuff.
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Many people will tell you that the equipment does not matter, I disagree completely. While equipment does not define how good your skill is, it does define how good your skill can be. Underperforming mice, reflective mousing surfaces, and crappy FPS will all hurt your potential to become better than you already are.
Mice: I would recommend you get a new Logitech MX series ( DO NOT INSTALL DRIVERS IF YOU BUY THESE MICE ) or the new Microsoft Intellimice and wheel mice. The Microsoft mice can read EXTREMELY well, on otherwise reflective surfaces, but the Logitechs glide smoother and do not stick to surfaces as easily because of different types of feet.
How do I know if my mouse is not good enough?
If you move your mouse VERY quickly, and your view twitches out, your mouse is sub-par. Some of you may say •I have a high sensitivity, and therefore I can get a lot of movement quickly without moving my mouse fast•. I will get to you uninformed individuals later 
•••Mousepads: The surface you use is just as important as the mouse you have. If you use your desk, and like it, stick with it. But for new mousepads, I suggest you get a •Supermat•. They go for about 5-6 dollars at most Staples or CompUSAs. These massive pads allow you to lower your sensitivity greatly and still have a lot of room to move.
•••Configs: Okay, a whole new can of worms. First of all, everyone should add these commands to their command lines •-noforcemparms •noforcemaccel• these will turn off mouse acceleration (only partially if still enabled in windows) if it is on, and will not change anything if it is off.
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Next, sensitivity is a key element to your game. I would recommend that the highest your sensitivity should be is about a 270 degree turn in game from one side of your mousing surface to the other, I use a 2.5 sens with lowered sens in windows. In about a foot and a half I do about a 190 degree turn, any lower than 180 is excessively low and unnecessary. Low sensitivity gives you MUCH more precision to work with when trying to aim with accuracy. If you•d like to continue missing people, by all means keep your sensitivity raised. Otherwise, lower that sucker. I have never met someone who•s game did not improve when they lowered their sensitivity.
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•••Rates:
•••cl_cmdrate: this command controls upload speed, I keep mine at •101•, but on shared connections this can cause lag (say if you have 3 people, all with a cmdrate of 101 (about 7kb out for me) and your connection only has 15kb upload speed, your farked) this command also controls how fast your recoil goes down, and enhances the accuracy of which you see your recoil. Everything is much more responsive.
cl_updaterate: this controls your download speed, the higher this is the more accurate the information you see from other people is. This also can cause choke though, so raise and lower accordingly. I keep mine as high as possible without getting any choke. I keep mine at •101• as a general rule though
rate: this command is a godsend. Put this at •20000• and play, some people here have tried to tell me there is no way I could notice the difference between 20,000 rate and 7,500 rate, they are incorrect. This will also improve the accuracy of information you see.
net_graph: I put this at •3• so I can see my fps, in/out, and choke/loss. This allows me to update my rates accordingly to fix lag issues, there is a command to move the position of it, I believe it is net_graphpos or net_graph_pos, CS will tell you as you enter it in.
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2003, 08:02:57 PM »
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Sorry for the brief cutoff, i hit 10,685 characters and had to delete some stuff so it would fit in one post 
Feel free to PM me with questions, and questions for future guides.
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2003, 09:04:22 PM »
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oh yeah, thanks alot to Tenshi for making this all possible, and Porter for moderator in this forum
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2003, 07:30:56 AM »
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Nice Kaoz
Good to see someone making an effort to write something.
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2003, 10:39:31 AM »
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I've been playing the game for a good while now and I've just learnt a good few things from that article. Very interesting and it's good to see somebody sharing their experience and interest with the rest of us.
The comment about aiming with the top part of the crosshair is something I've been trying and it's really nifty. Good call John.
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2003, 02:27:30 PM »
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Woohoo finally some pointers that i can use  like the part about the ak i can probally say to somone that iam really good with that gun i have almost "mastered it" i got the single shot kills going with it i just need to work on the bursts long range bursts
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2003, 07:10:24 PM »
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Yeah, there are things in there I didn't know too. Incredibly useful. I'm looking forward to more! I would like to quote an excerpt from CSR's server.cfg-- the file that controls the server's configuration:
sv_maxrate 8000 // Maximum client data through-put. (bytes / sec)
sv_minrate 1500 // Mimimum client data through-put. (bytes / sec)
sv_maxupdaterate 60 // Maximum allowed number of client updates per second
sv_minupdaterate 10 // Minimum allowed number of client updates per second
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What that means is that whenever you play on CSR, it doesn't matter whether your rate is set to 20,000 or 20,000,000-- you're only gonna get 8 kilobytes a second cause that's all the server's gonna give you.
It's also been suggested that having your rate set drastically different than the server your connected to cause LOTS of connections problems, but I don't have any good proof to back up. Just something to keep i mind.
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2003, 07:55:02 PM »
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well, i think the only one that hurts is having a higher updaterate, funny enough i've always lowered mine to 60 when i play at CSR cause i see my choke go away then.
having a maxed rate is important for me, because CAL matches use higher sv_maxrate, and on lan play it's higher too. i have never noticed any problems with a higher rate then the server allows so it's a 6 and one half dozen of the other thing
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2003, 07:56:30 PM »
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| Mice: I would recommend you get a new Logitech MX series ( DO NOT INSTALL DRIVERS IF YOU BUY THESE MICE ) |
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how does one use these mice if you do not install the software?
it just so happens i got one today for my birthday.
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2003, 08:05:19 PM »
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nevermind...my laptop is smart. smarter then me obviously
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2003, 01:10:22 PM »
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nevermind...my laptop is smart. smarter then me obviously
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Well, I wasn't going to say it. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2003, 12:25:57 PM »
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kaoz do you say not to install the drivers because of the issue when you press a non standard mouse button and if Fs everything up??
I personally NEED the drivers installed for my logitech mouse... logitechs mouse software is the ONLY software I have been able to find that enables scrolling with the mousewheel in visual studio.. even when im using a standard ps2 non logitech mouse, i still use their drivers
I tried everything from standard windows drivers to downloading the ones made for microsoft mice...
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2003, 01:59:54 PM »
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Good stuff, looking forward to trying some of these things out.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2003, 04:47:20 AM »
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I would recommend a dkt pad. I think i'll have to order one as Kaoz took his back.  I'm also using his mx300 and the problem I had with the drivers is that it still gives you mouse acceleration with the drivers. Even if you turn it off. Also, there is the cpl mouse fix too. Changing your refresh rate will change your sensitivity ingame too.
You can learn a lot from Kaoz as he stays current in the "competitive scene." He improved my game greatly. What he learns himself he loves to pass onto others. Ask him to do one on flashes at some point. That would probably be a neato one.
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2003, 07:31:21 PM »
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great idea kyle, I will incorporate flashbangs in my next article, which will be hard because i do not know how to do a dust2 strategy guide w/out screenshots :-p
thx for the kind words, you always had alot of potential in my opinion, just a matter or lurnin u some edjumucashun on strategery
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2003, 11:42:20 PM »
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images are working in other forums (namely the thread about cs_reloaded), so I'm not sure I understand what's keeping you from using them here. If there is anything I can do to assist, please drop me a PM or an email.
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2003, 11:48:10 PM »
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we can make a picture novel with all the crap we have in that thread 
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2003, 12:03:41 AM »
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Well, i just need to organize positioning and naming things, as it seems if i attach images they just stack, no way for me to wrap text around them correctly?
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« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2003, 02:54:47 AM »
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Yeah, with 1.6 where I shoot is where the bullets actually go. It is crazy now because you can get like 12 hs and not skip a beat due to netcode.
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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2003, 07:38:18 AM »
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Well, i just need to organize positioning and naming things, as it seems if i attach images they just stack, no way for me to wrap text around them correctly?
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If you have the images hosted somewhere, you can just point to them inside your post with the [ img ] http://www.your.url/here.jpg [ / img ] (remove the spaces). Check out this post by Grounded for an idea of how it will come out.
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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2003, 08:13:17 AM »
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good idea, thanks porter. I will try to get this done during thanksgiving break
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2003, 08:21:00 AM »
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register for a free angelfire website. they have 20mb of space, plus its reliable hosting for pictures
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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2003, 06:12:22 AM »
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Angelfire? More like Angelcrapola!
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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2003, 12:03:09 AM »
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Man I've gotta say nice work on the article Kaoz. I spoke to you in game about it, like how i didnt exactly know how to control the recoil on the USP, or AK-47.
But now i know.
Again nice work. +GGz Karma!!
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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2003, 12:23:22 AM »
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What I used to do was to put a spray on the wall. Then I would back off a good distance and spray and try to keep the recoil in the tightest pattern possible.
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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2003, 08:26:44 PM »
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I have a question on the mp5. Is it true that if you aim at the legs and spray, that its instant death? heard it in game
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2003, 08:42:16 PM »
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umm, i think that someone was trying to pull the wool over your eyes and just make you shoot at peoples feet
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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2003, 09:10:35 PM »
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Maybe it would be instant death for you. If you were shooting an mp5 at someones legs then they just shoot you in the head. If find that most of the time with a mp5 longer bursts at the head are the most effective. Always aim for the head with mp5 very accurate with very little recoil/spray pattern.
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« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2003, 06:37:42 AM »
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I like sidestepping rapidly and spraying with mp5. The legs are a good target because its crud against kevlar from range but the head really is the money shot. Frequently your last bullet in the clip will be a headshot. I have no idea why.
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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2003, 04:06:47 PM »
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I have yet to see any super uber MP5 leg shots. I aim for the neck with it, and then the spray usually gets me a head shot, if not I still do alot of body damage. Not sure if that helps you at all though Scarr. I wouldn't reccomend it as a good strategy though.
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« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2003, 01:23:10 AM »
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I'd recommend watching 3D | Morgan or tsg.volcano for how to use an mp5.
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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2003, 01:40:29 PM »
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an update with the new logitech MX drivers....
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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2004, 01:52:26 PM »
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hey, do the new mx drivers still have that glitch where mouse4/mouse5 will cut out? I know when I first installed the driver I couldn't use mouse4/mouse5 for voicecom because it would just simply stop working, so i started using default windows drivers (which work fine).
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« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2004, 02:33:15 PM »
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bayne,
I use the MX drivers, and have no problems. I use mouse 4 and 5 for walking and selecting knife
they must have gotten a lot of feedback about mouseware drivers and games, so they fixed a lot of the issues.
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« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2004, 03:55:22 PM »
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ok nice tips and they're mostly thing i already try to do, but what i was wondering is what do you think is the best way to practise them and improve??
is it best to spend time on your own just looking at recoil and trying to hadle it better. or is it best to play people and try to develop the skills ingame?
also if practising ingame do you recommend really really concentrating on developing a skill even if it means you may perform worse in the mean-time. ie. is it worth using usp (for example) and literally playing with only that for a few days - even thought you will obviously get killed a lot more this way - it should improve your usp skills?!
again, it is magic that people take their time to advise - thanks Kaoz.
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« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2004, 10:31:38 PM »
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Low sensitivity gives you MUCH more precision to work with when trying to aim with accuracy. If you•d like to continue missing people, by all means keep your sensitivity raised. Otherwise, lower that sucker. I have never met someone who•s game did not improve when they lowered their sensitivity.
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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2004, 11:21:54 PM »
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Well pancho, i think you're right on about focusing on one skill. I know i'll play maps with just a USP or just a Deagle, as stats should be the last thing on your mind.
Practicing in game is much more valuable to you then going outside of the game and practicing recoil control on walls and such.
SG, going from 10 to 3 is a bad idea, in my experience this is the way to step it down:
10-8-9-7-8-6-7-5-6-4-5-3-4-2-3
with this method you can do it in a few maps of play. you kinda trick your brain into dealing with a lower sensitivity because each time it feels more sensitive then what you just played with, if that makes sense.
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« Reply #37 on: May 23, 2004, 12:02:00 AM »
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Whats the best sensitivity
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« Reply #38 on: May 23, 2004, 12:47:25 AM »
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The one that works for you
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« Reply #39 on: May 23, 2004, 04:42:21 AM »
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Well pancho, i think you're right on about focusing on one skill. I know i'll play maps with just a USP or just a Deagle, as stats should be the last thing on your mind.
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I didnt mean that i was worried about bad stats - ask grounded he'll tell you they're bad enough already LOL. I meant more that if im using usp all the time i will almost certainly spend more time as a spectator and less time actually playing.
I tend to make good use of my spectating time and feel iv learnt a lot that way but i was a wondering if you felt it was worth while concentrating on a weapon that im poor at even tho i will not get as much actual game time in say an hour online.
Has that made my question a bit clearer? Thanks for the reply though, i get the feeling that the answer is still "yes pancho get your computer and cs back up and running and take some deaths while u try and deagle/usp everyone"
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« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2004, 09:17:39 AM »
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Yes, it's still the answer
Just remember when pistoling you don't play the same way as with a rifle, you take pot shots and back off alot. whittling down opponents over time.
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« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2004, 04:19:29 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2004, 05:04:06 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2004, 09:19:43 PM »
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When i stop being ridiculously busy, prolly after graduation
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« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2004, 02:17:27 PM »
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Killer I am no expert but I heard this the other day and it made sense. If you tend to purchase more sniping rifles a lower sensitivity works better. If not, the higher the better for reaction turn around and such, that your able to control. I am currently playing at three and was at five something when I first started playing. I am still skeptical and trying to figure this one out myself! 
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« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2004, 02:21:32 PM »
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Makes sense. I'm playing with 8.3 right now I don't seem to have a problem, probably because I have been playing with it for a while.
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« Reply #46 on: May 24, 2004, 02:25:00 PM »
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As good as you are, IF IT AINT BROKEN DONT FIX IT! I pee my pant's everytime I see you MAN! Your very quick! I am inclined now to try and raise mine? 8.3 hmm....
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« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2004, 02:26:03 PM »
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lol Give 20 a shot it makes me have a headache
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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2004, 02:34:57 PM »
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Le Home Depot for you! Is it big up there also, I was A Home Depot manager for many years! What you making or fixing, or is that where you and jeff hang out? The paint thinner aisle, "My Turn! No it's mine! Emmm smells good! You look funny dude? Get off the floor your making a mess! I love you man! When are they going to make scented thinner bro? I'm dizzy. Stop spinning around! Do you love me too? I can't get the cap off mine, sniffle, sniff, sniff somemore. Your hogging it! Excuse me boys we will have to ask you to put the can's down and pull up your pants and leave the store NOW! On there way home Jeff lights an cigarette, POOF! DAM! I burnt all the hair off my face! I still love you but boy that smell, pee yew! Let's go to Ace Hardware the paint aisle is hidden way out back! Shotgun!
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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2004, 03:33:19 PM »
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Try not to actually think in terms of a specific sensitivity number... Because everyone has different drivers, windows settings, mousepads, indoor air resistance, ect. Personally, I have my sensitivity set so I do a 180 by moving my mouse from the center of my supermat to the edge. (1.5 sensitivity) I can't imagine how many 180's I could do if I set mine to 8+. I think I'd just sit there unable to move, twitching out in a cs seizure of spinning.
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« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2004, 03:35:43 PM »
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« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2004, 04:04:01 PM »
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I'm set at 2.5 (I think) but then I have a huge mouse pad so I've got plenty of room to do a 180
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« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2004, 05:07:39 PM »
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Bayne hit the nail right on the head, there is no perfect sensitivity. Mine is set to let me do like a 270 from one side of my dktpad to the other, so it is 2.5
In my own opinion, anything over 4 is unneccessary(sp?) unless you play with very limited mousing room
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« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2004, 06:07:55 PM »
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I cant find these big mouse pads you people keep talking about! Yea i dont play with much room 
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« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2004, 06:43:45 PM »
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« Reply #55 on: May 25, 2004, 08:08:40 AM »
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I think I paid $8 when I got mine from compusa. But then again, mine's autographed by Volcano, making it priceless. ahhaha.
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« Reply #56 on: May 25, 2004, 11:15:03 AM »
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« Reply #57 on: May 25, 2004, 03:44:32 PM »
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« Reply #58 on: May 25, 2004, 04:11:43 PM »
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I used to use the desk but I sold it to buy cattle feed. I don't herd cattle or anything it just seemed like the right thing to do at the time.
In all seriousness though, I play with sensitivity around 3 on my Packard Bell optical mouse when at home.
I pondered parting with cash for an icemat or some mouse-skates but ended up getting a free mat from a m8 who nabbed a sponsorship deal with Corepad which I am yet to use.
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« Reply #59 on: May 25, 2004, 05:32:42 PM »
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I just ordered my purple supermat.
Roughest to smoothest: Green, Purple, Blue, Grey, Black
They had that when i ordered so i thought purple was a pretty good bet. What color is yours kaoz?
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« Reply #60 on: May 25, 2004, 08:10:25 PM »
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I have a thing called a DKTpad, it's like a supermat but thinner and smoother than even the black one, i like low friction playing.
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« Reply #62 on: May 26, 2004, 09:17:43 AM »
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Dude that must be one freaky looking knee! How wide is it? Does it bend? Do you apply lotion before playing? Have you ever run into your crotch? I guess you•re not a toe taper? Is there any hair on that knee?
I use a Func pad, dual sided one of the guys here recommended it, and it•s good.
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« Reply #63 on: May 26, 2004, 11:04:38 AM »
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I don't think the color of the supermat has anything to do with smoothness. I have a green and a grey... they're the exact same. One day, I hope to have a desk where the entire suface is one giant mousepad.
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« Reply #64 on: May 26, 2004, 06:56:12 PM »
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smoother than even the black one, i like low friction playing.
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« Reply #65 on: May 26, 2004, 07:34:08 PM »
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« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2004, 10:12:29 AM »
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« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2004, 03:36:04 PM »
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Think you'll find the idea was Bayne's, so shift that +karma his way I have done.
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« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2004, 12:09:45 AM »
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Im not sure if anyone has covered this but when I play in scim usually 5 vs 5 my choke gets insane! It jumps to 90 and higher (roughly). I have tried changing my cl_updatrate lower to like 50 but i still get it... Any help would be much appreciated.
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« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2004, 12:58:13 AM »
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« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2004, 06:41:28 AM »
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you also need to adjust your cmdrate. It would also be nice to know what you ping on these servers. Because if you are east, and new to the whole #findringer scene, if you join west scrims you are going to have a high ping and usually some choke and loss. As for it spiking to 90 that must be your connection but i'm not sure.
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« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2004, 07:16:19 AM »
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Kaoz, whats your take on walking (as opposed to crouching) when aiming up shots....
Obviously the reticle changes slightly if you crouch, but is the pattern of bullets produced by standing significantly worse than crouching? Been trying to ascertain the difference for a while now, but to me it seems the larger reticle has little effect...
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« Reply #72 on: August 03, 2004, 07:51:45 AM »
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Reticle.
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« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2005, 11:07:18 AM »
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Kaoz, whats your take on walking (as opposed to crouching) when aiming up shots....
Obviously the reticle changes slightly if you crouch, but is the pattern of bullets produced by standing significantly worse than crouching? Been trying to ascertain the difference for a while now, but to me it seems the larger reticle has little effect...
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In summary, Standing? Burst. Crouching? You shouldn't be unless you're spraying. (or hiding of course). Remember folks, crouching makes your head hit box cover your upper chest hitbox slightly, and increases the likely hood you're gonna get one through the dome.
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« Reply #75 on: February 17, 2005, 11:13:25 AM »
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« Reply #76 on: February 17, 2005, 06:57:59 PM »
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Choke is measured in both directions, as far as I know. Choke in CS is actually a combination of your update and cmd rates, *and* your actual rate rate. Really, there are only two things that matter: 1) Your rate must be less than or equal to the amount of available bandwidth on your connection. 2) cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate must collectively total less than or equal to the bandwidth cap set by rate.
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« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2005, 09:05:44 AM »
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Choke is measured in both directions, as far as I know. Choke in CS is actually a combination of your update and cmd rates, *and* your actual rate rate. Really, there are only two things that matter: 1) Your rate must be less than or equal to the amount of available bandwidth on your connection. 2) cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate must collectively total less than or equal to the bandwidth cap set by rate.
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Porter that makes sense, though I strain at parts? Is there away to check your bandwidth and what the server you are playing at rates are. I believe you said here at CSR a 60 40 ratio on the rates is the max CSR puts out?
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #78 on: February 18, 2005, 05:24:46 PM »
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There are tools to check your bandwidth. The DSL Reports website and IBM's website both have bandwidth measuring tools you can use to see what your connection's capacity is. As for CSR, it is currently configured as such:
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sv_minrate 2000
sv_maxupdaterate 80
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That means CSR will allow up to 15 KB/sec per player. Each player will be forced at least 2 KB/sec. Each player will be forced at least 15 updates per second, and will not be allowed to have more than 80 updates per second.
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2005, 09:02:48 AM »
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Does this mean that anyone using rates over 15000 is going to get loss? I'm pretty sure there are loads of people using 25000 101 101. To try and get better reg for the broadbanders could we up the maxrate?
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #80 on: February 20, 2005, 09:36:26 AM »
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Or how about they set their rates to match those of the server?
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #82 on: February 20, 2005, 12:42:32 PM »
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Does this mean that anyone using rates over 15000 is going to get loss? I'm pretty sure there are loads of people using 25000 101 101. To try and get better reg for the broadbanders could we up the maxrate?
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the problem with "upping" the maxrate is that it could cause the server to lag if there are too many people on at the same time and if the connection FROM the server doesnt have enough UPLOAD capacity.
I'm sure Porter will correct me if I'm wrong but thats how I understood it from reading up when I tried to make a "small" server...
Server-Side Download speeds are rarely a problem, all being in the 0.5Mbit+ range (512kbps or 64KB/Sec). Players usually only send 2-3KB/Sec (16~24kbps) down to the server.
Server-Side Upload speeds are where the lag comes into play. Most ISPs will give, frankly crappy, speeds there, in the low 128~384kbps range (16~48KB/Sec). Each player can use up to 7KB/Sec (56kbps). |
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #83 on: February 20, 2005, 01:22:41 PM »
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Does this mean that anyone using rates over 15000 is going to get loss? I'm pretty sure there are loads of people using 25000 101 101. To try and get better reg for the broadbanders could we up the maxrate?
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No, loss is entirely caused by the connection between you and the server. It means there are packets which aren't even getting to you. Choke, on the other hand, means that somewhere along the line the packets are hitting a bottleneck and can't get through as fast as you (or the server) are sending them.
Setting your rates higher won't have an effect either. The server always follows it's own numbers when sending data to clients. It only uses the ones you set in your console if they fall within the range specified by the server's own configs. That means that if you set your rate for 20000 on CSR, the server is still only going to send you 15000 worth, and nothing you can do will change that.
Also, 25000 is silly. HL netcode maxes at 20000. You can't get anything better than that. Personally, I think 101 and 101 is silly too. I've never understood those numbers myself. For one thing, you're telling the server you want to send as many updates about what you're doing as you want to receive about NINETEEN other players. updaterate should ALWAYS be about twice what cmdrate is, because even when you're playing one-on-one, you're receiving info about 2 players from the server (you and the other guy), and you're only sending info about 1 (you). cmdrate and update rate ALWAYS need to be hand-tuned if you want the best "feel" for your connection-- especially for your rate.
As for CSR specifically, it's also possible that allowing more bandwidth would hurt more than help. For example, 20 players at 20KB/sec is 400KB/sec, which can also be represented as 3200Kbit/sec, or 3.125Mbits/sec. Just for reference:
- 56k dial-up modem: 0.048 Mbits
- 768 (Std.) DSL: 0.74 Mbits
- T1: 1.54 Mbits
- T3: 43.2 Mbits
CSR would have to have two of it's own T1 lines to support that much, and I'm sure our game server is sharing it's bandwidth with other boxes. At the same time, I can't see why it wouldn't be worth trying.
Installing a ping booster will cause RG to immediately shut down your server and close your account. It's a big no-no.
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #84 on: February 21, 2005, 09:58:17 AM »
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This make sense because JB once told me the rate he specified. SOmetimes it works ok and now remebering when the numbers on teams are low. Does seem to be that the more people are on like 9 vs. 9 that if Iturn down my rates I lose the choke and stuttering gets better. Sounds like to me we are all in that gray area of tweaking any motor or program, it is dependant on so many factors. Timing, gas, choke air mixture it's like tunning an egine for every race! Since everybody does not know all this info are we really all hackers! LOL! hmm...
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #85 on: February 21, 2005, 10:52:20 AM »
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There's a difference between adjusting the internal settings of a program to maximize its efficiency and adding external programs to circumvent the original's functionality.
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #86 on: February 21, 2005, 11:28:58 AM »
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Re:KaoZ's Tactics #1
« Reply #87 on: February 21, 2005, 11:33:24 AM »
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I know! Dude it was me just making a little fun of our geekiness in the game and tweaking!
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