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Possible Website Outages
« on: July 26, 2004, 08:40:13 AM »
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I'll be going through the site squashing bugs and adding features thru-ought the day, so there may be points where things aren't working-- including the forums. Please be patient, and watch the homepage for updates.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2004, 08:44:11 AM »
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Look at that: 30 seconds in and I've already fixed the HLstats error. All pages should now work, not just the first.
For those of you wondering, there are lots of regulars hiding on the second page. 
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2004, 08:59:01 AM »
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I'm climbing the rankings Shame it's only because JB is too lazy to log out of my Steam account...
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2004, 12:01:38 PM »
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Cool, so when I begin phasing out all weapons except the knife, I'll be able to find myself on the stats.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2004, 06:22:15 PM »
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Crud.
Right when I go on a slump and slip off the first page, it has to be pointed out. 
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2004, 10:40:40 PM »
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Heh.
Well, I did everything I could do today, most of which isn't exactly visible to you all. Expect the forums to be offline intermittently tomorrow evening as I work to bring the forum template system into line with the rest of the site. Then I'll go back to my todo list and find something else that needs fixing. There's plenty to keep me busy after all. 
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2004, 12:39:59 AM »
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Heh.
Well, I did everything I could do today, most of which is exactly visible to you all. Expect the forums to be offline intermittently tomorrow evening as I work to bring the forum template system into line with the rest of the site. Then I'll go back to my todo list and find something else that needs fixing. There's plenty to keep me busy after all.
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Look at it this way. If you didn't do it now, somebody would complain about it later.  Keep up the good work.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2004, 11:33:39 AM »
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good work - keep it up 
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2004, 10:53:24 AM »
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Gonna try to get the forum template online. Forums may be out periodically.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2004, 11:20:58 AM »
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Okay, changes are done. You should notice a couple stylistic changes in how the forums look. Hopefully it's for the better. Let me know if anything is coming out particularly weird, and be sure to include the name of browser you're using, what version it is, and what operating system you're running!
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2004, 11:29:14 AM »
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Okay, looks like there is a problem with IE6 on Windows machines (I'm not surprised). I'll see if I can clear it up...
Ugh, somebody should shoot the programmers of this awful browser. No respect for CSS at all. *sigh* What with all the security vulnerabilities lately, I hope you are all using Firefox by now anyway! IE users will just have to put up with some glitches (namely some strange things being centered instead of left-aligned) until I can write in special code to get IE to display properly.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2004, 12:17:19 PM »
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Personally I preferred it the way it was before - there seem to be extra borders in some places and fewer borders in others. Doesn't really matter but aesthetically I think the previous setup was nicer. gj Yuna/Porter for getting the Tourney bit going
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2004, 02:05:05 PM »
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I'm going to take credit for that site. Porter provided me the programs I needed to do it and Deuce was kind enough to figure out the percentages for the scores, but the rest was all me (and this is the first site I've done too )
Sorry, I don't want to gloat
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2004, 10:32:46 PM »
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Ugh, somebody should shoot the programmers of this awful browser. No respect for CSS at all. *sigh* What with all the security vulnerabilities lately, I hope you are all using Firefox by now anyway! IE users will just have to put up with some glitches (namely some strange things being centered instead of left-aligned) until I can write in special code to get IE to display properly.
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How is firefox doing anyway? I was going to wait until they went 1.0 before I switched from Mozilla.
good job on the website both of you!
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2004, 08:38:31 AM »
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Firefox is very mature, actually. It's fast, lightweight (less than 10MB for the largest installer!) and stable.
In other news, thanks to the ...retentiveness of Deuce, the rest of the site has new section heading images. Check out the homepage to see what I mean. (If you can even notice the difference.)
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2004, 10:56:13 AM »
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Don't blame the program for the mistakes made by the user. 
Solution to problem...
Find this code :
<!-- Content -->
<tr>
<td colspan="2" style="padding: 10pt" width="800" align="left" valign="top"><div align="center">
Change it to :
<!-- Content -->
<tr>
<td colspan="2" style="padding: 10pt" width="800" align="left" valign="top"><div>
As I have tested, this is what is causing the issue. I removed it and tested and did not see any issues with running without it. I would have found it sooner for you, but its busy here today. Lemme know if this works. Or on second thought, lemme know if you try. If it works, I should notice it.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2004, 11:11:23 AM »
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I take that back. Upon further testing, this solution only works half the time.  I'm trying to find out more about this as we speak.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2004, 01:29:53 PM »
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Alright, lets try this again.
Solution to problem...
Find this code :
<!-- Content -->
<tr>
<td colspan="2" style="padding: 10pt" width="800" align="left" valign="top"><div align="center">
Change it to :
<!-- Content -->
<tr>
<td colspan="2" style="padding: 10pt" width="800" align="left" valign="top"><div>
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<!-- Main forum content -->
<table class="bordercolor">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td align="center">
Change to
<!-- Main forum content -->
<table class="bordercolor">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td>
This one was tested more, and this is definatly the issue that is arising.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2004, 04:21:30 PM »
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Thanks for hunting that down.
Leave it to IE to apply a style to an entire block recursively instead of just the top layer, ignoring other overrides in the process.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2004, 06:54:55 PM »
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Not that it matters compared to the super-centering problem, but removing those tags did have an effect on the otherwise normal layout. Here, take a look at this Deuce-esque snapshot:
In conclusion, Microsoft sucks.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2004, 09:10:23 AM »
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Alright, lets fix this as well. I'll just highlight the changes in bold.
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<!-- Forum header -->
<table class="bordercolor" align="center">
#2
<!-- Forum menu -->
<table class="bordercolor" align="center">
#3
<!-- Main forum content -->
<table class="bordercolor" align="center">
#4
<!-- Copyright and Credits -->
<table class="bordercolor" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3" width="100%" bgcolor="#ffffff" border="0" align="center">
I checked it with this code and "everything" should look right.
(*random disclaimer : MysteryMachine has only checked the tables and to make sure everything doesn't go centered again. No promises are being made that another small feature was not overlooked!*)
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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2004, 09:32:08 AM »
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I.... don't think that's gonna do what you want it to. The problem is one level above these elements, at the <div> tag you told me to change. That's where the center should go, since it shouldn't cascade its effects into other block level elements, but IE renders this improperly, and causes ALL children of the <div> to be centered.
I've made the last set of changes you suggested, and don't see a difference in Safari, Firefox, Netscape or Omniweb. I *do* see the difference in IE, but you're asking me to go back to doing things improperly so they work for IE and nowhere else. 
Plus, these changes don't fix the centering issue I was actually referring to. Look at the black circles in my pic again-- my issue was that the content is left aligned inside the outer-most red border, and your fix only shifts the entire contents of the outermost red border to the center, which is why you had to change each of the page "chunks" instead of the encapsulating block element.
Unfortunately, the bottom line is that it just isn't going to render correctly on some browser no matter what you do. And given the fact that these standard date back to 1999 and earlier, I think I'd choose them over backwards compatibility. It's about time people started supporting them.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2004, 10:05:33 AM »
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Yes but Porter, think of all us poor peons who like using IE, and prefer its ease of use to any other browser...
Yes, I have tried others browsers, my fav being Opera, but they all seem very gimmicky, no point, so I went back to IE. Its very nice and simple, no problems.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2004, 11:21:16 AM »
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Huh.. those look fine on my system.
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2004, 12:35:55 PM »
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| Yes but Porter, think of all us poor peons who like using IE, and prefer its ease of use to any other browser... |
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Yes, I do indeed pity you for preferring IE. Not that I can blame you-- for a long time it was the best choice for a Windows machine (even for myself), but that stopped being the case quite a while ago.
Yes, I have tried others browsers, my fav being Opera, but they all seem very gimmicky, no point, so I went back to IE. Its very nice and simple, no problems.
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Firefox is an incredibly viable alternative now with a clean, simple interface (with tabs!), and what with the security problems IE has been having, I can't see why you would still use it for anything but sites that require it (which in itself shows how poorly they were designed and implemented to begin with).
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http://www.alistapart.com/articles/tohell/
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2004, 11:38:00 PM »
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| Yes but Porter, think of all us poor peons who like using IE, and prefer its ease of use to any other browser... |
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Yes, I do indeed pity you for preferring IE. Not that I can blame you-- for a long time it was the best choice for a Windows machine (even for myself), but that stopped being the case quite a while ago.
Yes, I have tried others browsers, my fav being Opera, but they all seem very gimmicky, no point, so I went back to IE. Its very nice and simple, no problems.
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Firefox is an incredibly viable alternative now with a clean, simple interface (with tabs!), and what with the security problems IE has been having, I can't see why you would still use it for anything but sites that require it (which in itself shows how poorly they were designed and implemented to begin with). |
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Yeah, I agree with Porter here. I actually chuckle to myself 'cause I remember thinking that IE was better for a while there too, but at the moment I use it for everything (except like Porter pointed out, the sites that require it.) The only reason it isn't my default browser is because that would make it the default browser for the rest of my family. (Which isn't worth the complaints I would recieve from them, because I know for a fact that I'd never be able to convert them from IE.)
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Re:Possible Website Outages
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2004, 12:35:27 AM »
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The only reason it isn't my default browser is because that would make it the default browser for the rest of my family. (Which isn't worth the complaints I would recieve from them, because I know for a fact that I'd never be able to convert them from IE.)
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I use it on my laptop, but its really nothing special.
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